H1B Visa 2020

It has become more and more challenging for H1B seeking applicants with many new memos and policies. If you were not selected in H1B Visa FY 2019 Quota, you may have filed in H1B FY 2020 Season. This article addresses some of the common FAQs and we continue to update latest news and changes of policies, other info regarding FY 2020 season. You can bookmark and revisit the page for updates.

  • H1B 2020 Season Start Date ?
  • H1B Visa 2020 Quota ?
  • Will there be lottery for H1B 2020 ?
  • H1B 2020 Lottery date ?
  • How to find H1B 2020 Sponsors ?
  • H1B visa 2020 fees ?
  • H1B 2020 Processing timeline  ?
  • H1B 2020 Latest News

Beginner - First Time H1B ?

If you are going through the H1B process first time, it is good to learn some basics like cap, quota, LCA, etc. Click adjacent button

If this is your first time filing H1B, please read H1B Visa Basics – FAQs like Requirements, Quota, LCA, etc.

When does H1B visa 2020 Season start ?  What is the start date ? 

Update : USCIS announced on March 19th that they will accept H1B 2020 petitions starting from April 1st.

Based on past history, it would be Monday, April 1st, 2019.  The rationale is that, USCIS starts accepting applications for the next fiscal year exactly 6 months before the start of the next fiscal year. USCIS fiscal year for 2020 year starts from 1st October 2019, which means they would accept applications for FY 2020 from April 1st, 2019.  This will change for the next H1B FY 2021 Season as USCIS has published New H1B Registration Rule, where employers will register much ahead of the April 1st date and go through process to be able to file petitions on April 1st.

What is H1B visa 2020 Quota for Regular and Masters filings ?

H1B quota is listed below. There are no changes to the cap count, USCIS confirmed that in their press release in March 2018.  Below are the numbers.  For first timers,  this quota is also called the H1B Visa Cap. You can read more at What is H1B Cap ? Regular vs Masters quota ?

  • H1B Regular Quota : 65,000 visas
  • H1B Master’s Quota : 20,000 visas. ( only US Masters eligible)

Also, of the overall 85,000 visa cap, every year 6,800 visas are set aside for the citizens of Singapore and Chile as part of the Free Trade Agreement with them. There were few bills part of Comprehensive Immigration Reform that are not active in Senate that were proposed from Obama administration days to change the cap count to 110,000 and Masters to 25,000, including potential to make H1B cap extend up to 180,000. But nothing has moved and all are dormant. Nothing new has been proposed by the new Trump Administration regarding changing cap count. To get a glimpse of historical cap count changes, you may check H1B visa cap count history from 1990 to 2017

Will there be Lottery for H1B 2020 season ? What are the H1B Lottery Predictions ? How many petitions in H1B 2020 Lottery ?

Update : USCIS announced on April 5th that they received enough petitions for Regular cap quota and there would be lottery.

We had H1B lottery for the last 6 consecutive years starting H1B FY 2014. Looking at historical trend of H1B filings, cap reach dates, it is very likely possible that we would have lottery for FY 2020 quota.  We have written a detail article on this topic, read H1B Visa 2020 Lottery Predictions, Dates, Results, Analysis.

When is H1B Visa 2020 Lottery Date ?  Accepted Dates ? Lottery Results ?

If we look at the H1B lottery, we have three things, one is when the H1B petitions are accepted for the lottery, second is when the actual lottery is done and third is when the H1B lottery results for everyone are out.

  • Applications Accepted for H1B Lottery : H1B visa petitions for next fiscal year would be accepted by USCIS from Monday April 1st, 2018 for 5 working days until April 5th, 2018 to be part of the H1B Visa lottery.
  • H1B Visa Lottery conducted date : The actual lottery date depends on various factors depending the volume of petitions and USCIS load. It can be anywhere in second week of April. For FY 2019, H1B lottery was conducted on April 11th. Similarly, for FY 2018, the actual H1B Lottery was done on April 11th, 2017 . We can expect anywhere around the same dates like April 11th or April 13th.
  • H1B 2020 Lottery Results for Everyone : This is probably the most asked question as many applicants wait in state of uncertainty. USCIS, only informs about actual results for everyone after they completed sending our receipts for accepted petitions. So, technically, you may need to wait for a long time to get the actual results, depending on if you were selected in lottery or not. For FY 2019, USCIS sent our all rejected applications on July 30th, with a timeline given until August 13th. So, you can hear your lottery results anywhere from April second week to August 13th..that’s a long waiting window !

How to find H1B visa 2020 Sponsors ? 

It can be very hard to find a good employer and convince them to sponsor H1B to work in US with major unknown like H1B Visa lottery.  Depending on your situation, you would be in one of the three scenarios, if you are seeking a H1B Sponsor. 

  • F1 Student in US : You can find an internship or co-op at an employer who can sponsor H1B visa and ask them to sponsor your H1B. You can continue to work on OPT once you graduate as well. You find the list of H1B Sponsoring companies using the tool or  H1B Grader – Sponsors Database 
  • International Professionals  : If you are outside of US, it can be tricky with all the latest rules by Trump administration. Your best bet is to find an multi-national company ( MNC) and work through them to sponsor H1B visa. You may have hurdles inside the company with all the internal process, many waiting, etc. But, it is up to you to negotiate and ask them to take a chance. Many try the IT body shop route, where they ask them to file H1B. Rules have changed in the last few years and it is very risky move and can jeopardize your US hopes. Read comments on this H1B Companies Reviews article  to get an idea and  beware of such consulting companies to avoid fraud.
  • Important Note : We, as RedBu2US, DO NOT Provide any H1B sponsorship or guide anyone using professional services or fee. If anyone approaches you by saying our name, it is pure FRAUD…beware !

If you are looking for more details, check out Guide on How to Find H1B Visa Sponsors 2020

What is H1B 2020 Filing Fee ? 

H1B visa petition filing involves USCIS fee towards certain things and attorney fees, which varies by company size, and attorney involved for the case.  As of FY 2019 season, it can range anywhere from $1,600 USD to $7,400 USD + Attorney Fee.  In year 2016, for FY 2018, the H1B base filing fees, increased from  $325 to $460.  Also, premium processing fee increased from $1,225 to $1,410, effective October 1st, 2018. Below table is a high level summary from FY 2019 quota as of writing, it maybe subject to change as we approach towards the filing date.  If any changes, we will update this accordingly.    Also, you can Read Summary of H1B Filing Fee – Who pays for What ? .

H1B Fee – Paid Towards Amount in USD
 Base filing fee $460
AICWA Fee $750  or $1,500
Fraud prevent & detection fee $500
Fee based on Public Law 114-113 ( if applicable) $4000
Premium processing fee (Optional) $1,410 ( from Oct 1, 2018)
Immigration Attorney Fee Varies from $500 to $3000

What is New H1B Registration Rule ?

USCIS and DHS went through 9 Steps of Federal rule making process to change the H1B lottery process and published the final rule on Jan 31st, 2019.  In the  new registration rule, employers register their potential H1B hires during the H1B registration window in the USCIS registration system.  USCIS will conduct lottery on the registrations and inform the selected registrants to file H1B petition on April 1st. In the new process, the order of H1B lottery is changed to select Regular cap quota petitions first and then Masters quota petitions. For more info, read Summary of New H1B Registration Rule

Will the New H1B Registration Rule be applicable for FY 2020 Season ?

Not fully.  USCIS is suspending H1B Registration Rule for H1B FY 2020 cap season to design, implement and complete user testing of system and make sure the system is ready. USCIS will formally announce this suspension for FY 2020 on their website.  So, for the upcoming H1B Visa FY 2020 season , the current process of accepting H1B Petitions for 5 business days and then conducting lottery from the received petitions will be followed. But, one change to the current process will be done, which is the order of the H1B lottery will be changed, where first regular quota petitions are selected in lottery to fulfil 65,000 petitions cap from entire pool of applications and then master quota petitions are selected in lottery order to fulfil the masters quota cap of 20,000. Read complete info at H1B Lottery Changes for FY 2020 Season

H1B 2020 Lottery Results – Processing Timeline – Regular vs Premium ?

You would know about the H1B Lottery result for your H1B Petition filed with USCIS, if you either receive a Receipt Notice from USCIS or a Rejected Package indicating you were not picked in Lottery. The timeline for receiving receipts is different for regular vs premium processing. We have put together all the details in a detail article addressing all of these questions. Read H1B 2020 Lottery Results – Premium vs Regular Processing Timeline 

H1B 2020 Case Tracker  :

Did you submit or plan to submit H1B petition for FY 2020 ?  In general, the wait for H1B receipts, lottery results, and processing is quite frustrating without any status until you receive something from USCIS.  You would be curious to know others status…so, to have a general view on the statuses movement for entire community, we have put together a tracker along with good graphs for analysis. It is completely anonymous as we do not capture your case number or any personal information. It is community contributed data, the more you add, the better for everyone, including  You !

Track your H1B Case

Anonymously Track your H1B Case - Share and Get updated from Community.

What’s the latest news for H1B Visa 2020 Season ?

Below is the list of latest news by date related to FY 2020 season.

  • June 7, 2019(Official ) : USCIS released a press note today indicating that they will begin premium processing for all H1B 2020 cap subject petitions starting from June 10th, 2019.  Technically, now you can upgrade your H1B petition, if you have filed it as COS or Consular processing. All in all, anyone can upgrade their case to Premium processing.  Check the USCIS Official Press Release
  • May 17th, 2019(Official ) : USCIS announced that they have completed data entry and will start sending out the reject notices now…Also, they may transfer some cases as well to balance the load. If you see a status change, nothing to worry.  Check the USCIS Official Press Release
  • April 11th, 2019(Official ) : USCIS announced today evening that they have reached masters cap and also announced completion of H1B lottery for FY 2020. They received a total of 201,011 petitions. Read H1B 2020 Lottery Completed News Summary 
  • April 5th, 2019Official ) : USCIS released a press note that H1B 2020 regular cap was filled. Read H1B visa 2020 Regular Cap Filled News. Check out  Short Video on H1B 2020 Regular Cap Quota reached.
  • April 1st, 2019Official ) : USCIS Launched H1B Employer Data Hub as part of transparency effort to understand H1B employer’s Information on Approvals and Denials. You can check out How to use H1B Employer Data Hub,
  • March 19th, 2019 ( Official ) : USCIS did a press release indicating the start of H1B season from April 1st, and gave out details on Premium Processing that it will be open only for applications filed with COS. Check out all details at H1B 2020 Starts April 1st, Premium Processing Info
  • January 2019 ( Official ) : USCIS Publishes Final Rule on H1B Registration on Jan 31, 2019 and gave guidance for FY 2020 season.
  • December 2018 ( Official ) : USCIS Publishes a proposed rule in Federal Register to introduce the concept of electronic pre-registrations before filing the actual full H1B petition. Currently, it is in process seeking public comments until Jan 2, 2019. Check out details at H1B Pre-Registration New Proposed Rule – Lottery, Process, Analysis.
  • For  FY 2020 season there is an increase in Premium processing fee. We do not even know, if USCIS will have premium processing fee for FY 2020 as they have suspended until Feb 2019 for petitions filed in April 2018 under FY 2019 quota. But, something to be aware of.

You can bookmark this page and check this page for updates on H1B FY 2020 season. Also, you can read H1B 2020 Cap Count Updates Page for up to date tracking of this year’s news and other info.
Do you have any questions on next H1B 2020 season ? Join us on WhatsApp H1B 2020 Group, Telegram, Facebook , Slack H1B 2020 and Community Forum to discuss, ask, share.

   

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Comments ( 1,500 )

  1. Non AD/ Non PP

    My petition was delivered to VT. As per ImmigrationGirl update, I need to expect results in “non-AD/VT: We have received I-797 receipt notices in 0% of our cases” ? please answer anyone how they will pick the petitions and sending the receipts? I mean center wise or they will do all together??

  2. Subha

    I’m on H4 EAD. I applied H1B (not premium) this year. I came to know my Cheque has not been cashed yet. Does that mean my lottery is not picked?

  3. 2nd time H1 NonAd/RP/CA

    Got picked up in lottery and recieved my receipt today

    Center: CA
    NONAd/RP
    Recieved date: 04/11/2019
    Notice date:04/25/2019

    All the best for all ppl here who are waiting for lottery results.

  4. 1st Timer- CPT

    AD/Non-PP/COS: Name picked in H1B lottery and waiting for the decisions which might take couple of months. I want to apply H4 for my wife and she lives in my home country. Can you please let me know the process or next steps for applying H4?

  5. AD/Non-PP/COS

    AD/Non-PP/COS: Name picked in H1B lottery and waiting for the decisions which might take couple of months. I want to apply H4 for my wife and she lives in my home country. Can you please let me know the process or next steps for applying H4?

  6. Suren

    Hi All,

    My amendment has been approved till april 07 2020. But my previously approved extension petition is valid only until september 07 2019. In this case Can I stay will the end date in approved amendment ? And then raise extension later this year ? I have spent only 3 years on h1b till now.
    Thanks

    1. administrator
      Kumar

      Yes, you can stay until end date specified on the amendment. No need to raise any extension again, if you are going to work in the same location and job duties does not change until April 2020.

          1. MK

            On the VISA Request App I see a new line has been added, would anyone know what it means. –> “Receipt Notice(Post Processing)” dated 4th May, however there is no update on the H1B nomination app

          2. administrator
            Kumar

            What App is this ? Can you share the link of the app ? Is this USCIS Official App ?

  7. 1st Timer- CPT

    AD/NON-PP/Day1 CPT- checked with University and they provided me with EAC number today!!! It means I got picked in the lottery.
    Based on previous years records, will you think RFE will definitely come since I am on second my seconds masters?

    1. administrator
      Kumar

      Well, every case is different and cannot make general statements based on just your second masters…

  8. Tension

    I am loosing hopes as days are moving,,, I am lost .. I kept so many hopes this time…. All my dreams r gone …. All the best for all others .. may god fulfill all ur dreams … Anyway mine r gone…

    1. administrator
      Kumar

      There is still time until May 20th, if you have filed in premium and until mid June, if not premium… Life is just no H1B, maybe you have better opportunities coming up in life…I know many, who did not get H1B, who are in much better careers and jobs in other countries… Dreams should not be gone, just because of a lottery decision that you cannot control…

    1. Guyhasnoname

      Yes, I am AD Non PP and this is my 3rd attempt, My Sevis got updated on April 24th but Fragoman sent me Receipt notice on May 1st.

      Probably it will take another 2 weeks for sure to complete I believe, so please stay positive.

      1. Guyhasnoname

        I believe Fragomen will definately take time, last year my friend got receipt notice on May 2nd week I believe, so its little early to come to a conclusion.

    2. Got *THE* email

      Fourth time lucky!
      Finally received an email from Fragomen that they have received USCIS receipt on behalf of my application.
      This has been a tough ride! Now, waiting for approval.

      I have been going through stress during April-May for the last 4 years. Finally picked!!
      All the best everyone! Don’t lose hope 🙂

      1. Got *THE* email

        *Updating details – AD, Non-PP Fragomen attorney*
        Fourth time lucky!
        Finally received an email from Fragomen that they have received USCIS receipt on behalf of my application.
        This has been a tough ride! Now, waiting for approval.

        I have been going through stress during April-May for the last 4 years. Finally picked!!
        All the best everyone! Don’t lose hope 🙂

  9. Lucky

    Hi Guys,

    I just received email from my lawyer that my cash got en-cashed today. So there is still hope. AD/Non-PP.
    Don’t loose hope.

    All the Best!

  10. 2nd timer

    Hi guys,

    Did anyone hear back with Consular/AD/Regular? Assuming SEVP portal won’t get updated for consular, how else can we check if the case has been picked or not.

  11. Ankita

    I just checked with my DSO and they can’t see any update on my SEVIS.
    Does this means I have no chance now?
    AD/VT/non-pp (last attempt).
    Kindly advise.

  12. dionysus0616

    Do I need to be in F1 visa status to be eligible for Advanced degree cap or just have an accredited US Masters or higher degree?

  13. Ad/PP/last timer - looking for suggestions for PHD computer science

    Dear Kumar,

    This is my last time for H1 and didn’t hear anything back,please suggest me good Phd university’s for computer science and friends if anyone of you know the cost to complete this please let me know. i am not looking for Day 1,which is illegal. thanks

    1. administrator
      Kumar

      Unfortunately, we do not advise on Universities. I suggest you think about your long term goals for your career and life, before you decide on PhD, it requires a lot of commitment and sacrifice…if not US, you can go to other places to work…

        1. Jac

          No update in the DSO, and I asked my immigrant HR, no positive response yet. I was told to wait until May 15th, which may be the end date of data entry.

        2. asdfg

          Same case here. No update in the Sevis Portal. Lawyers told me to wait until May 20th and are not willing to tell if the check is encashed or not.

      1. administrator
        Kumar

        Immigration Girl works with one law firm and has a small pool of H1B applications filed…there are many hundred law firms that file H1Bs, you cannot generalize based on their findings…

  14. Waiting Second time H1 NonAd/RP/CA

    Also any insight on when data entry will be completed this year. Last year it was around May 15. This year too around same time

    1. administrator
      Kumar

      Yes, we can anticipate around the same time. Maybe that’s the reason they kep as premium processing SLA starts from May 20th…

  15. Waiting Second time H1 NonAd/RP/CA

    Anyone got receipts today for NON Ad/RP ? Forum seems to be very silent from all NON-ADs.

  16. EnnaValzhaDaithu

    I have masters degree from India and do am I eligible to come under AD processing?
    Mine already filled not sure about this to update in masters/reguslar in tracer.

    1. Waiting Second time H1 NonAd/RP/CA

      Nope. Only masters from US universities are eligible. Yours will be NON-Ad Category.

  17. Paradox of Dilemma

    My company applied for H1b, and I haven’t got any updates yet, regular processing. My Stem OPT is valid thru Feb 2021. My questions are 1. can I still switch the job? 2. Do I have to withdraw my H1b application? 3. Should I wait for the lottery result to come out? 4. Or wait until it gets approved? 5. What is the company gets sold out to someone in a foreign country? 6. What if the company goes into bankruptcy before it gets approved? These things are not made up; I am stuck in this situation. If anyone can answer some of these questions, it will be a great help.

    1. administrator
      Kumar

      1. Yes, you are on OPT. make sure you update DSO and have it well captured. Technically, if your H1B is approved, then you need to work for them from the start date of H1B.
      2. No need.
      3. No need.
      4. No need.
      5. Nothing will happen, depends on how the new setup of company will function, they maybe able to still use the H1B approval.
      6. Well, then you never had H1B approval, so technically you need go through lottery. But, your status is on OPT, so you are fine to look for another job and work until Feb 2021 with another company.

  18. L1 to H1 (COS)

    Hi Kumar ,

    Thank you so much and finally ,

    I would like to share the great news with you My H1B got picked in the lottery NON-AD /NON-PP , My employer informed just 30 min back (check was cashed) , Could you please kindly clarify the following 2 questions ?

    1) I have filled 2 petition this year since I got two offer from different and unrelated employer/client and got result for one – will it fall under duplicate filling and check was cashed dude to this ?

    2) I didn’t get result for my second petition so in case selected can I consider two unrelated potions are processing partially and based on my choice can I choose one ? or it will it fall under duplicate filling ?

    Please reply , Thanks in Advance !

    1. Raja

      It doesn’t fall under duplicate filing. You can choose whichever you want if the second one also picks in the lottery.

    2. administrator
      Kumar

      1. If they are not related and genuine offers, then you should be fine.
      2. Yes, you can take a decision once you have approvals, which one to join on October 1st. USCIS reviews carefully to make sure, the employers and positions are not related as many have tried to fraud the system in the past…If your case is genuine, you have nothing to worry.

  19. SH

    Just Received an email from the attorney.

    Case received : AD/ VT /Regular
    Receipt date : 04/11
    Notice date : 04/23

    Third and second last attempt. Hope it goes through a smooth approval.

    All the best to all deserving candidates. Some attorneys take a long time to update on paper notice.
    I have checked this page almost 10 times a day every April. Thanks to everyone!

  20. LastChance

    This website has helped me immensely, so passing good vibes forward –

    4th attempt (last chance); on STEM OPT; regular; masters – received notification from employer with scanned receipt notice today (May 2nd). Case was received on April 11th according to USCIS case tracker.

      1. LastChance

        I wasn’t able to check my SEVP, unfortunately. My e-mail address linked is incorrect and I’m still working with my univ to correct that.

  21. 1st attempt

    AD / RP – My SEVIS status was updated today ( 05/01/2019) but the checks weren’t cashed out yet. Does anyone know what it means ?

    1. administrator
      Kumar

      Some of these systems are not fully updated, it could be you were picked in lottery and other steps may happen latter. Check with your attorney.

      1. 1st attempt

        Hi Kumar, my checks were cashed out yesterday. I guess the SEVIS got updated first and then checks were cashed out!!! Don’t lose hope guys.

  22. Gyanesh

    @KUMAR
    Is there a separate portal for discussion/communication for the people whose petition is picked in the lottery?

  23. Gyanesh

    Hi ,

    last Attempt OPT ends on 08/04
    AD/RP – end date on SEVP Portal updated to 09/30. Does this mean lottery has been picked?
    Thanks for your time

  24. GalPal

    ADVANCED DEGREE/ REGULAR PROCESSING

    Checks Cashed out yesterday (04/30/2019)!

    No update on SEVP Portal. No receipts received by attorney yet.

    1. GalPal

      UPDATE!

      My DSO informed me this morning that my SEVIS has reflected some changes and that I can get my new Cap Gap Extension i 20.

      Hope everything goes smoothly, *fingers crossed*

  25. Hopeneverdies

    AD/RP. My reciept date 04/19/2019 and recieved date 04/11/2019. When i try to check my case status it says reciept not found. Its already Two weeks but still showing that error. What you guys Think?

    1. Fellow H1B

      Go, create and account, and log in at https://myaccount.uscis.dhs.gov/ . You should be able to see the case status.

    2. administrator
      Kumar

      Some users experience such issues, it is pretty common. It could be simple data entry issues at some point. As long as you have the physical copy of your receipt, you are fine. Do not worry about the online status. Follow-up with your attorney and check the status with them.

  26. :-)

    Hi Everyone

    I forgot my SEVP credentials.. Im trying to reset my password, I’m below exception. Please help me this.

    Your account has been locked. Use the “Reset Password” option to unlock it. If this does not work, contact your DSO.

    Thanks

    1. :-)

      Hi Everyone

      I forgot my SEVP credentials.. Im trying to reset my password, getting below exception. Please help me on this.

      Your account has been locked. Use the “Reset Password” option to unlock it. If this does not work, contact your DSO.

      Thanks

      1. NEO

        Just send an email to DSO requesting to reset your account and you should receive reset link from your school..!!

  27. siarra

    Hi, my sevp portal is updated to 9/30 on 4/25 but have not received the receipt yet, how long will it take to get the notice with case number, just trying to analyze the situation because lot of ppl received receipts yesterday 4/29 – filed under regular masters AD/RP.

    1. AD+PP

      They are not going to tell if checks have been cashed this year. They will directly send us the receipt if our case is picked.

      1. Pray for 2020

        My H1B application is filed under master’s quota Premium Processing, As of April 30 my check is not cashed. What does this mean? Is there HOPE?

        1. AD+PP

          No, checks will be cashed as the case gets processed. But Envoy is not going to let us know even if they know that checks have been cashed. That’s what their customer support says. It’s annoying actually.

    1. 4th timer

      yes, Ogleetree folks won’t respond to your questions after filing. However, they will update you if your petition was selected in the lotery. 4th timer – i got an update on 04/19 from attorney – AD/PP/CA.

        1. Second time H1

          Seriously this time I see very few comments/updates/wait for Non-AD/RP as updated by admin. Did change of lottery made change of fortunes for Non-AD ? Hope all prayers are answered pretty soon.

  28. 4thTimeApplicant

    AD/RP/Consular Processing – 4th time applicant. Received notice today. California Service Center. Case Received date: 4/11, Notice date: 4/19

  29. Kelanfar

    Curious to see why there are so few comments from Non-AD / Regular Processing. When do we start hearing back? My OPT ends on 5/20/2019 and SEVP did not update yet, not even to June 1st. Many thanks.

    1. administrator
      Kumar

      Because, less volume of people applied in Regular Processing and Non-AD. You can start hearing back anytime in may until Mid June.

  30. Non- AD regular receipts from May 1st week

    As per trend from H12019, it seems NON-AD regular receipts starts coming from May 1st week till 3rd week and it gets dry from then onwards. Hope we get similar kind of trend this year. Cheers and all the best to all applicants who applied this year. Hope for best.

    1. administrator
      Kumar

      Yes, They start coming in low volumes in early May and then pick up towards the end and can continue till mid June.

  31. SEVP portal for non-ad?

    Hello guys, I am new to redbus and wanted to know regarding SEVP portal. I see that SEVP portal is only for students. But can we check SEVP portal for regular NON-AD too.. Please advise..

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