H4 Visa EAD News – Lawsuit Dismissed by Court. Trump Administration Plans?

2,978 Comments

1. The H1B program started out with good intentions–to temporarily fill very specific, highly skilled jobs that not enough Americans could do. It has turned into a de-facto form of immigration, where temporary jobs become permanent, and now since these foreigners they don’t like the rules, they want them changed. Every single person who takes one of these jobs knows they are intended to be temporary and that spouses will rarely be able to work. This is not new, nor is it unique to the US. Other countries have similar laws.

   Now we have a situation where Americans are discouraged from entering IT and tech fields, because they cannot compete with cheap foreign labor, and a handful of tech firms and outsourcing firms receive the vast majority of these visas to dole out and keep a cut of the proceeds. Indians and to a lesser extent the Chinese, have manipulated the system to make it a backdoor way of immigrating and it has killed the IT sector for our citizens.

   Americans do not owe the rest of the world entrance to our universities, access to our jobs, or unfettered immigration. We just don’t. I would suggest that enterprising Indians stay home and make India better. We can’t take all of you that want to come here, and besides, you need smart people to make your country better, too.

   Reply

   • @Leo you don’t owe entrance to your universities but rather you can’t fill seats in your universities without immigrants. I doubt they will even let you in but try and check top grad school and you will be shocked on where the talents is coming from. This universities will be ghost town without immigrants.

     Reply

   • Oh i guess poor leo lost his job to one of the h1b applicants. 😛

     Tell me honestly how did you or your family arrive in USA? Or are you from one of those indigenous tribes native to the land? It was fine when you or your family immigrated.. but its not cool when others try to do the same… please attend one of those universities or colleges that you mentioned, if you get a chance and get some perspective…

     Reply

2. This is an interesting mix of entitlement and misunderstanding the intent of the H-1B visa program. An H-1B visa is a temporary visa to recruit highly skilled foreign nationals when there is a shortage of qualified workers in the US. Temporary is up to three years, with a three year extension.

   The H-1B visa is not designed to be a path to citizenship, so the fact that there is a long waiting list citizenship for individuals from one country versus another isn’t relevant.

   Demand for visas is to be driven by what skills the US needs that we currently can’t provide. The skills, education, and experience that spouses or children of foreign nationals working here is simply irrelevant.

   President Trump is correct that the H4EAD visa is a disadvantage to American workers. Individuals with this visa are able to get jobs here because, at least theoretically, their spouse is highly skilled in an area where we don’t have qualified workers. This is blatantly unfair.

   The hard truth is that the H-1B visa program has been ruined by Indian technology companies gaming the system, and the US companies that are complicit. The US is now enforcing our visa regulations, so we are subjected to these anecdotal stories where “feels” are to outweigh the law

   Reply

3. One solution to all the problems mentioned here is to increase minimum wage for H1 or H4 like more than 130K. Now even after this companies still prefer these candidates then please don’t blame them, instead focus on better education and skill set.

   Reply

   • What is the starting salary for top 50 universities in US? I don’t think you have ran numbers. And please don’t sell me the idea that only top 10 university fall in high skilled category. If that is the case ask all other universities except top 10 to shut down because without immigrants they will be ghost town with no funds.

     Reply

     • 130K is not smg i came up with, its ur elected leaders in congress that are proposing this. So you need to question them not me.

       Reply

   • And not to forget 130k in NYC and SF is possible, go check out other smaller cities.

     Reply

     • 130K is too low for “highly skilled” workers. No matter what city they work in.

       Reply

   • @R..let me put some light on your comment that we need to focus better on education and skill set in America. You are forgetting that US has best education system in all domains/sectors and students across the globe come down here for quality education.

     Second, you are coming from a country where even school papers get leaked (recent news from India). So if somebody asks validity of your educational background and skill set, you might need to hide somewhere as who knows which exam you passed in a genuine way and which with assistance.

     Third, salaries are decided by demand supply gap and not purely by skill set. Most of H1Bs are here as there are big body shopping agents who sold you as slaves in US market. On top of that, you got H4 in work stream. Now if we ask to stop H1 and H4 to clean our system, there is nothing wrong.

     Reply

     • First i never said US education system is not good. I had my higher education here, did not replace any US citizen and not working for any body shop or agents you are mentioning. I am a direct full time employee.

       Second, i am not surprised at your stereotype thinking, based on ur comments. FYI i have higher education in US with GPA 3.87. So u are questioning US education system that recognized me with great score ?

       Third, so u have problem even with quoting 130K price tag ? seriously. FYI H1 is highly skilled specialty occupation so its common sense that salary will be high. U got problem if salary is low, u got problem if salary is high ? Just make up ur mind, we can argue after that OK.

       Reply

     • @ENDH4&H1 you seriously need to get your fact together. There has been lot of educational frauds in US that doesn’t make US educational system bad. Similarly Indian education system is great. Have you heard about IIT and IIM institute. Challenge of India is we have too many smart people and not enough universities and that is why we are here. You level of intellect and understanding of foreign affairs explains you other comments and stereotype thinking. You are the type of person who will complains about losing a race because there were more than one person competiting. You should run alone and maybe you win (I doubt that though). Keep crying keep complaining but you can’t take away our destiny to succeed.

       Reply

       • Many IIM and IIT students are mear bookworms. No creativity what so ever. They come to the US to discover themselves. If they are so smart, why do they have to come to the US? Why don’t they do something worthwhile in India?

         Reply

   • Raising the H-1B salary will do nothing to change abuse. The arrangement between petitioner and beneficiary would continue to include the kickback to the petitioner of the additional salary under the table as they already do for benched employees.

     Reply

4. Over nine-tenths of work permits given to spouses of H1B visa holders are from India

   http://www.newindianexpress.com/world/2018/mar/29/over-nine-tenths-of-work-permits-given-to-spouses-of-h1b-visa-holders-are-from-india-report-1794400.html

   Reply

   • Facebook and Amazon is going down so does H1b and H4EAD, Americans’ best day is coming, XXXXXX

     Reply

     • Amazon and FB is down, you are so dillusional. I think it is very clear why you don’t have a job.

       Reply

     • @Leo your language, intellect and attitude explains you will always struggle to get a job. We are here for good you like it or not. Keeping begging for social welfare.

       Reply

     • Leo, with your limited knowledge I feel sorry for you man. Instead of writing pages of non sense, if you investigate on other important topics like who’s stealing what in this country, you will be amazed by the figures. This country pays billions for imports and making countries like China rich. Is that any good? Who’s making money,jobs on this? trade wars are going on right now. You absolutely have no idea about how large organisations, rich business men make money and bend the rules to their advantage in every sector. Your spotlight on IT is nothing considering the money involved in IT sector compared to others. You cannot fight for everything and force govt to fulfill all your wishes as they are more concerned about economic stability.

       Reply

       • @goodwill..well, we have full right to ask our government what we need to. And we respect that you have same right to question your government back in India.

         This forum is oriented towards IT issues, and hence Leo’s post is valid. I am amazed that you all have this tendency that if other sectors have issues, focus on them and do not focus on IT sector. Why?

         H1B is a complete misuse of the system. DHS and USCIS should reject as many new and H1B extension applications this year so you all can understand that there is a system and no one can misuse it.

         Reply

         • @EndH1/H4 you surely have all right to ask but keep in mind you are just a citizen not the entire country. Also the same US legislation also give immigrants rights as well. And we have right to ask govt as well. Your knowledge about H1 and H4 is distorted and I honestly don’t care. You can continue to complain but most American favor immigrants.

         • Really are there rights for immigrants? Its amazing how these buffoons land here. Cant wait these id*iots being kicked out soon.

   • Hello,
     Before I start putting in my comments, I want to make clear that I am completely against work visas – H1B/H4 etc. which have taken away jobs from qualified American citizens over the last few years.

     H4 Visa – A recent article in an Indian newspaper mentioned that 80% H4 Visas are with Indians and 90% of them women. Does any one knows how all of a sudden Indian women in US have become skilled and have entered workforce?

     1) In most cases, both Husband (H1B) and wife (H4 EAD) would be working in same company
     2) If not same company, it will be in same/similar domain
     3) If above 2 are not true, she will be working as a test lead/tester
     4) She would get trained from local institutes who will train her as per job openings in market, and get a job

     In very few of scenarios, you will find that a real talent was sitting home for long and was eager to contribute to America. If you are so talented why you and your husband on H1B do not go back to India and make your own country great?

     Indian people on H4 are working as their husbands have trained their wives on skill set which is aligned to job requirement. He will be knowing hiring managers, people who will interview. He will make sure that wife gets through the interview and is secured with a job.

     So people who are supporting H4 – give us a reason why we Americans should compete with a person who is getting skilled/trained at home and is taking undue advantage of our stupid liberal policies. It is time for DHS and USCIS to correct system and end H4 EAD immediately.

     Reply

     • @EndH1/H4 Best part of blog is anyone can put in any stats and don’t think they need to provide any proof. Are you cooking stats at home? Other than 80% recepient of H4EAD are Indians there are no other proof to your stats. It is an individual choice to where they want to work and I don’t think you can dedicate what others should do. H1 and H4 need to prove their skills to DHS not any random person on blog.

       Reply

       • @H4EAD So you atleast agree with the theory that this ugly nexus is prevalent and if supported by some facts/stats, you agree that H4/H1 should be terminated. DHS and other organizations are working to provide stats and data will be out shortly. I hope that some DHS officials get into weeds of this nexus and take some stern actions.

         Irony here is that we have to spend our country’s resources to prove to outsiders what they have done to our system.

         Reply

         • @ENDH1/H4 What part of my message agrees to H4/H1 terminates. In fact I called your stats fake. Maybe you should read it again.

     • May be high time you realize America is producing more stupids than other countries? Care to explain why there are more Indian doctors, why Indians always win spelling bee, Why Indians are CEOs are top companies, Why Indians occupy top positions in top IT companies, Why average salary of an Indian in US is far higher than any ethnicity. Because they are freaking good naturally.I have worked with sizable number of Americans. The real good ones are about 5%. They don’t talk like you. They welcome us. Rest of the guys are simply not good enough for IT. They are good for one thing. Talking for hours without substance. Majority of the grown up adult guys cannot compete with a 5th grade student in India in math. Nobody is stealing your job. You just are not good enough. Any country that elect a clown who can’t read or write properly , any country that worship guns like primitive people cannot possibly have lot of intelligent people. The only good thing they did was allowing immigrants to come here and flourish. If it were entirely upto the beer drinking, gun loving clan electricity would yet to be invented. Just thank the amazing 10% liberals that have taken American where it is now. Conservatives can stick to their guns and jobless lives. Without immigrants America will be the dumbest country in the world. Elon Musk is not an america. Remember that.

       Reply

       • I agree 🙂

         Reply

       • @Karthik 1) if i go by numbers, you will agree that stupids as percentage of country’s population are more in India. So called intellectuals have come down to US to serve us. 2) If this country is producing stupids, and you all are intellectuals, why are you here. Go back to the world of intellectuals.
         3) If you all are having natural talent, India would have been developed and far better than America, and you know what the reality is. 🙂

         Now let me give you some thoughts to ponder upon. This forum is for IT resources and not general Indians. I have not commented ever that Doctors or other professionals are misusing visa.

         You must be aware that if a doctor comes from India with whatever educational background, he has to study, pass exams and practice in this country as per laws here. He or she competes on a level playing ground. Unlike in IT sector, where a civil engineer from India starts writing code and can test freaking anything under the sun or a H4 spouse all of a sudden can manage(co-ordinate) a project

         CEO’s – A handful of renowned organizations have Indian CEOs (not more than 30). We respect them as they have come to the top with all their talent and handwork. But does this justify that visa system can be misused? I hope you are not considering Indian CEOs of local recruiting companies as talented lot.

         Regarding our president, POTUS is not a clown and do you really think that he got elected due to dumb asses. You would need to have US politics 101 to understand how underneath dynamics work. And what amazes me that you can easily point fingers on the strongest and powerful person on planet, while living in same country.

         If I am not wrong, you had a Prime Minister who was quiet for 10 years? Some good literature says he was a puppet too in hands of a foreign lady. Is that correct?

         Nothing will come out of this stupid war of words. Learn to co-exist and take responsibility of system misuse. Our system has given you an opportunity to live in a better world, do not destroy and harm same system.

         Now knowing more intellectuals possessing natural talent, USCIS should scrutinize with tougher standards this lot of IT people. Stop H1 & H4!!

         Reply

     • While I am a citizen and not entire country, I do have my right to express my opinion which I am doing. And on the same note, how can you generalize that Americans love immigrants. I think this time you are cooking some stats at home.

       We are a country of immigrants and welcome them till the point it does not affects us and make our system malign. H1 and H4 are non-immigrant visas and people on these visas should go back after serving there tenure. Period. These visas have impacted IT job market in specific by misuse of the rules established by our Govt. If you or your Indian companies are little considerate of US citizens well being, you would have come up with some measures/gestures to solve the issue. You all just need a green card and a fat double salary by abusing the system.

       I fail to understand that our govt. got you in to get some work done, but you guys made it your home. If you are so talented, why do not you go back and gauge condition of Mother India.

       Reply

       • @EndH1/H4 You have the right to opinion and state your concern to your govt. Similarly we as immigrant has right too in this country. Name me one regulation that is full proof and is not exploited by fraction of people. I personally don’t support all those that are exploiting the immigration system but saying stop H1/H4 is because few are exploiting is same as no guns allowed to anyone because of the recent incidence.

         Reply

         • I work in IT sector, and i would not like to comment on other regulations without complete knowledge. However, I do not accept the logic that if other regulations have flaws, so we should have some loopholes here too.

           The misuse has come to an extent that H1 and H4 need to be stopped completely. We need to evaluate skill shortage if it exists, and then process visas accordingly. A massive cleanliness drive is required by DHS and USCIS to make IT sector free of H1 and H4 visa holders.

     • When you say real talent sitting at home, why cant that real talented people take courses and come at par with the industry to get a job. All you know is to bark on others who win.

       Reply

     • This is some BS. I did my MBA from one of the top colleges in US and now i am on H4 EAD because i couldnt get the H1b lottery couple of years in a row. My salary is higher than wage level 4 for my job code in my state. Last but not the least, my spouse works in a different company and in a completely different function.

       Why those women sacrificed their career to be with their husbands is not something that you could understand. Please understand the immigration policies of your country before commenting on H1b – H1b is not the source of your problems. Your poor education or smaller brain is.

       Reply

5. This is a H1B story but also quite reflects the H4 EAD abuse
   —————————————————————————-

   This is the business model of h-1b abusers and how to stop it. visa farms/body shops/staffing companies (these are “small business” firms with less than 50 employees, 99% of who are h-1b) make their money by pimping out h-1b as contractors. On paper the h-1b are hired with a salary of 60k (to escape scrutiny) but they are paid salary only when the h-1b is working as a contractor when he is on bench(when he does not have a job), he is not paid a salary. USCIS asks for pay stubs for only the last 3 months as proof, so these h-1b workers and the visa farm which applied for their h-1b work together to run the payroll, this is a process where the h-1b is not paid the salary but only his federal taxes and payroll taxes are paid to give the illusion that he is being paid a salary. taxes on 60k after exemption are not much. this is fraud. in the meanwhile the h-1b guy and his company are creating fake resumes with whatever is in demand like sap, informatica or some other tool.they have proxies on stand by who will take the phone interview on behalf of h-1b worker. once he clears the interview screen on phone using proxy they show up for the job (there is no face to face interview since these are temporary contracting jobs lasting from few weeks to few months). once the h-1b workers joins the company, using remote assistance tools like webex, gotomeeting etc the backup from India or elsewhere remotely gain access to the system and the keep the charade going on until the inexperienced fake candidate gets some knowledge. now this is where the money is made.the h-1b workers is paid an hourly contracting rate anywhere from 60 to 80$ per hour. the h-1b sponsoring company keep 30% of the billing and the rest goes to h-1b. Americans used to do the same job for 100 to 150$ per hour. Americans are pushed out by h-1b who is willing to work for about half the billing rate an American would work. these h-1b workers and the sponsoring company in turn pay the remote assistance people about 5 to 10$ an hour for remote assistance. imaging the security implications of all sorts of people gaining access to the confidential information and company resources through this back door remote assistance mechanism.

   if this h-1b business model can be killed, the demand for h-1b will go away. H-1b applicants should not be allowed to work as consultants(contractors), they should be allowed to only work as Full time employees to the company that applied for the h-1b visa, h-1b applicants should not be allowed to work as contractors at other customers (third party or second party customers) or in any other location other than the company address.Unless this abuse is ended no regulation will fix it.

   Reply

   • I think the tightening of H1b visa program is a good thing and it should be a continually evolving process which allows only skilled workers to benefit from it. With that being said, I don’t see how barring H1b beneficiaries from contractual work at 3rd party sites is a good solution- there are legit consulting firms like Deloitte and PwC which will be at a major loss by not being able to hire foreign talent if that rule is put in place.

     Reply

   • May be you or some of your friends or relatives are doing this , so please don’t generalize people. There are many candidates who are genuinely experienced struggling on H1B. This country welcomed people from all different countries and unfortunately backlogs on Inidans was huge enough that people have to wait 10 or 15 years or more to get their GreenCard. H1B people are also human, and well educated and good experiences in different technology or applications.

     Reply

   • @Leo seems like you know a lot about this including compensation. Probably you were the beneficiary of this at one point and now back fired. As other comments say, don’t generalize your lame experience. Consultants in Mckinzee, Deloitte, PwC Boston Consulting rely on immigration and they are not competing low end IT jobs. I know it is beyond your comprehension but your stereotype comments will make no difference.

     Reply

6. IT is the only screwed up profession for American Citizens, if you think American citizens going unemployed and Government taking responsibility of the welfare of more Americans every day (65%) is okay just for the sake of the well being of Indians, you are not a patriotic American, your allegiance is not towards USA, America became greatest even before Google ceo Sunder pichai or Microsoft CEO Nadella, Google and Microsoft were well off even before they joined the company, I am also an Indian American but my allegiance is towards USA and not India, Americans should not be competing with everybody else in the world to get a job here, In India- foreigners have to pay more fees in college, foreign products have more tax and jobs have reservation for Indian lower cast, we talk good about Globalization but America gives way more money to India in trade relationship than they give to us, there are 1.2 million H1B and equal number of H4, they take majority of IT jobs in America especially most of IT jobs are given as contracts of duration 1 year or less, I think the only way the greedy politicians and the lawyers learn a lesson, if there is a threat to their job, if H1B is the best to happen to America, why not outsourcing all jobs to India- why only IT? why do people believe Indians who have the worst educcational system than Americans is better skilled, why 70% of American STEM graduates don’t get job in TECH field, why Americans like me are replaced by H1B for cheap labor? Why we allow Indians to fake resume, certificates and undercut honest Americans?

   Reply

   • 70% of American STEM graduates don’t get job in TECH field

     Do you have a credible source?

     p.s.: Fox news reports are not a credible source.

     Reply

     • All of our alliance is towards US, that’s why we want to live here. Now, what makes you so special that you should remain in USA ? you discount the immigrants like sundar pichai and Nadella (as if they are the only indians who contributed to US supremacy ) success, but take all the credit for yourself as great patriotic american-indian ( I don’t know if you are born american or came here on H1B ).
       Coming to you, you are not alliance with India or USA, you are basically an opportunist or son of an opportunist, first you ran away from india that paid for your education, took away job from an american (if your argument about current immigrants is correct then you or your parents took away jobs from american citizen), now that you got citizenship , you again want a special quota for yourself and do not want to compete with the world ?
       coming to trade deficit………..you know nothing about trade and trade deficit. trump is like you , the trade war and anti-immigrant war would paralyze us economy. USA needs us to save itself from stupid people like you.

       Reply

   • @Leo thanks for sharing those stats. Of course all of them have no credentials except your personal experience. I don’t think employement data support your thesis and those are govt number. I think you are free to speak for your self but stating 70% STEM US students don’t have job is far from reality. I have many American counterparts and they are smart and intelligent. They don’t share you enthusiasm or feel threaten by globalization. I don’t know your situation and maybe your employer hired cheaper resource maybe they hired someone who is more qualified. Either way, if you want to make your situation better invest in your self. Google or Apple or any other big firm is not a citizen to US. US undoubtedly has better education system (not agreeing with you on India has worst education system) and there is bigger pool of talent. When that changes corporate will move where they find more business friendly environment (tax reform is a great example, why US cut corporate tax). Rest I leave on US citizens (no few individuals on this blog) to decide faith of their country as I am sure they will do the right thing. I don’t have any problem moving to any part of the world or go back to India. I know how to make best of my situation. Till I am here, I have right to voice my opinion under the same constitution and no one can take that from me.

     Reply

   • Hey Leo. If your dad wasn’t allowed here. You would be Indian too. Don’t act up now and talk like you know everything.

     Reply

7. Controversial Ads On BART Target H-1B Visa Program For Foreign Workers

   http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2018/03/19/h1b-visa-foreign-workers-bart-ads/

   Reply

8. H1B and H4 has caused wage stagnation. Local Americans (non-indians) will not get into IT because they cannot find a job. All the IT jobs are controlled by Indians now. Even if we kicked them out like right away, i’m afraid there’s little we can do to right this ship b/c all the top execs are Indians. Go into a meeting, 8/10 are Indian. The other 2 are there for decorations and avoiding lawsuits. Time to voice your opinion and voting. Are you going to vote or talk against your boss, indian + 7 others?

   Reply

9. Most of their degrees are worthless. H1b/H4 EAD holders that I worked with had to be told every little step to accomplish a task.

   Reply

   • Go work with H1b/H4 EAD holders who work for good companies and your opinion will change, you probably work for a mediocre client who will hire just anyone to cut down on costs.

     Reply

10. z

    Reply

    • lol, dude you sound more Indian than anybody else here. haha

      Reply

    • So your ancestors didn’t flee their country because of war or other reasons. At least we come here because we have skills and companies need us.

      So the real beggars must be you!!

      Reply

11. All American citizens, I urge you to please report about any fraudulent and any doubtful foreign worker who you feel could be on fake resume/documents, at reporth1babuse@uscis.dhs.gov. Try to provide their names, phone number, company name and their positions at work. Don’t hesitate to do your rightful duty. This is the matter of American future and our security. Help USCIS to catch job visa frauds frauds. Even if you have doubt at any h1b converted GC/Citz workmates/managers, email reporth1babuse@uscis.dhs.gov to scrutinize these people. many of these got converted GC/Citz before Trump admin tightened immigration rules. They were not scrutinized before, h1b is only for extra-ordinary skills which we can’t find in America, but if you think that the jobs these h1b doing can be done by American citizens, please inform to USCIS by email at your earljest.

    Reply

    • What ever methods you find to harm a worker, he will have his own way to continue his work. SO it is better to keep silent and carry on with your own work.

      Reply

      • I guarantee the person will be kicked out of the country soon if we report any H1b / H4 EAD to the email. The new DHS chief has enforced the regualation:

        https://www.uscis.gov/working-united-states/temporary-workers/h-1b-specialty-occupations-and-fashion-models/combating-fraud-and-abuse-h-1b-visa-program

        REMEMBER: reporth1babuse@uscis.dhs.gov

        Reply

        • Good for you . Remember the recessession… When nobody wanted to come here and you took your date to denny’s!

          Reply

      • @legal,
        Let’s do an experiment, give your name and your work address to us now, and the expectation is we won’t see you in this country any more.

        If you don’t want to give your real name, upload your picture instead(make sure face is not too dark, it has to be human readable) . We can test how efficient and powerful the ICE is.

        hahaha…. I am doing it in my work place and will give feedback to DHS chief.

        Reply

        • Keep posting and your email to DHS only causes some hindrance and maybe some unnecessary disruption. If they have legit documents to support and it is all as per US immigration law you can’t do anything. Please don’t be fool asking my personal information as I don’t care about your crazy experiments. Good luck with your experiments.

          Reply

          • Hell we don’t need to ask any personal info if we don’t have.
            We just need to take a pic of you as long as you are not so dark (so DHS can use facial recognition ).

          • @Leo everyone can read and know who stinks here. You leave your name and firm name and we will see how quickly you get fired for your racist comment only if you have a job which I doubt. Keep crying and your racist comments won’t make any dent in our path to progress.

          • how about you post your real name and pic of you here …………..let me see how legitimate you are .

        • National debt is close to 21 trillion. Few more trillion to 25 trillion and it will be Greece. And then recession!!. Which country will you migrate then!

          Reply

12. Posting insinuating comments here and portraying how Indians have harmed America is going to achieve absolutely nothing. No one cares, so your ‘boo hoo’, ‘Indians go back’ and copy-pasting racist comments from Breitbart is all going down the drain.

    🙂

    Reply

    • You keep watching in the same way… all Indians will be GC holders and hire american workers for their compaines…this going to happen soon. See the trend of CEO’s now for Microsoft, Google, Cognizant, Coca-cola etc.. When you have talent no one can stop you. Neither a visa nor immigration.

      Reply

      • At this time, let us hope the senators and congressmen do not fall for the pathetic tales those Indians lobbying in DC at this time are spinning. The best solution is the US should shut down the work visa program right away with immediate effect for at least 2 years. No extensions should be granted, all EAD permits should be cancelled, and all green card applications based initiating out of H1Bs should be cancelled. All H1Bs, H4s, and dependents should be declared persona-non-grata and disallowed from clogging our legal system. Local law enforcement should be given permission to ask for proof-of-residency on suspicion.

        Then they should make fool proof policies which do not allow for those visas to get extended or converted under any pretext. Once the visa holder leaves the US, their record should be wiped clean, in other words they would apply again and would not be able to build on the past stay to get an EAD permit.
        H1B started out as a non-immigrant visa for helping with the US economy. How on earth did it become a back door conduit for getting EAD permits and then green cards? This is discriminatory on the other countries, in that around 60,000 Indians are being allowed into the US every year on H1B that is over and above the other visa categories. 98% of these H1Bs figure out ways to stay on and on and finally get their green cards. Why should this be even considered legal? They should cancel all the pending EADs and on-the-way-to-green-card applications right away and ask them to leave right away.

        Reply

        • Your lack of understanding to how immigration works baffles me. But good luck convincing your proposal. If I would be you, I would work on getting some new skills rather than banking on your proposal. I don’t get upset on few people remarks on this website as we all have rights to our opinion. All the best!!

          Reply

        • I want the same thing, shut the H1B down ……………….I dare you to shut the H1B down…………..I even tweeted this to the president to shut it down. Even GOP knows it is stupid idea……….most of the H1B opponents are themselves fakers.
          The people who lost jobs are not american, they are indians who faked their resumes and became citizens, then they are so mediocre that they are now losing jobs, not the americans who are born here and educated in usa.

          Reply

    • Indians here in USA don’t beget the message yet. Trump has been saying and GOP is silent on this immigrant issues. When you have degree and experience, just go back. This country under this administration bring you more worries and have created situations to dislike the foreigners. So wake up and leave unless you want to be miserable.

      Reply

13. Nothing has done more to diminish the quality of life for the United States middle class through higher housing (land) costs, competition for jobs, low wages, greater poverty, mortgage fraud, medicare fraud, crime, disease, cost of public schools, degradation of the military, cost of college, depletion of resources, burden on the taxpayer and overall congestion than the INCREASE of and change in the nature (more poor, more criminals, e pluribus multum) of the POPULATION since 1965, driven almost entirely by 20th century immigration (immigrants, h1b visa holders, visa overstays, refugees, etc) their families and descendants.

    Reply

14. End these wage depressing H1B Visas. The government invites unlimited Indians to come steal hi tech jobs, then the media run reports about how we have too few STEM degree applicants. That’s because you’re letting foreigners steal their jobs! Boo hoo hoo for the poor Indians that actually have to live and work in India.

    Reply

    • 1) There is limit on number of non immigrants cmg in
      2) Not all have lower wages, there are many who make more than 140K. For me thats not low wage ?
      3) In this competitive world to survive one needs to compete and it doesn’t matter if one wants to or not, as companies will do anything to save bottom line and hire best.

      Dont bother replying to my message, i will IGNORE.

      Reply

15. Immigration was never meant to be permanently ongoing, it’s plain stupid to even entertain increasing immigration, let alone even having anymore.

    Americans are sick and tired of having less opportunity because of non-citizens. This will all end badly sooner or later, how many of our fellow Americans lives have been destroyed by these people that come here now?

    Reply

    • Just modify your statement that you are incapable of handling new and updated talent and keep doing the same work for ages.

      Reply

16. why is it that all these genius immigrants who supposedly start companies here in the usa can’t start those same companies in their country of origin? there are many startups in this country where 80% of the staff are indian or chinese and yet they have to come to the usa to develop software?

    Reply

17. USCIS Policy memorandum Release Date: Feb. 22, 2018

    http://www.murthy.com/podcast/022618_NewUSCISMemo&HowAffectsH1bFilling_SpTeleconf.mp3

    Reply

18. Department of Homeland Security told a Washington D.C court on February 28 that “significant revisions” have been made to a draft ‘proposed rule’ that was to be made public in February intending to revoke work authorizations of H4 visa holders in the US. The USCIS is saying that the proposed change requires a “new economic analysis” that will take several weeks to complete.

    Reply

    • What does “significant revisions” mean? Wasn’t this suppose to be a simple “as-is” rescind? Hopefully, significant revisions are targeted towards removing H4EADs with fake resumes.

      Reply

19. We don’t need skill cause we have good network. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Reply

    • DHS said: ‘Those revisions required a new economic analysis’ , its highly possible that DHS would change their revocation plan. So H4EAD should be survived.

      Reply

      • H4EAD is NOT an immigrant visa. That means you are NOT an immigrant. You are a visitor in this country. Furthermore, H4EAD can be withdrawn. In fact, the DHS is working currently on H4EAD termination rules. As far as proof Indians are taking American jobs, any U.S. citizen attempting to find work in IT and unable to solely on the basis of systemic workplace discrimination by Indians has all the proof they need. If you are looking to define your life, do America a favor and define it back in India where you belong.

        Reply

        • if you don’t like the idea of america being the nation of immigrants and since that’s how you ended up in usa………..may it is time for you to go back to the country where you belong. because, you are not an american by heart.

          Reply

      • I work in software industry as recruiter and these woman comes up with fake resumes and ready to work for $20 per hour, They obviously stealing an american job. Obama signed executive order that’s against constitution to give H4 EAD. What a Trait, Waiting for TRUMP to take law in his hands back again. MAGA 2020

        Reply

        • I don’t understand your comment , Why can’t an American can come and do the job at same price . Whats so different about American Citizen and H4 ead looking for the job . H4 EAD is given to people whose spouse have applied for GC, it means they are determined to stay in US, So low cost labour is going to affect his family same way as for an American Citizen’s family . The real reason for you guys to whine about H4 EAD , you don’t have that qualification and degree that these people have and you are undermined by the recruiters which you don’t want to accept . Prepare yourself, research on what do you need to compete in job market .

          Reply

          • Well Said my friend. First of all all citizens and non supporters of H4 EAD are having a fear in mind that H4 EADs are taking out american jobs which is not ture. If Americans are really talented they can over cross them and get a job. No company is ready to hire an accountant for a HR job nor a HR for a developer job. Every one has their own capability. Think what will be the situation of these Citizens if all the H4 EADs are given green cards. These people will choose hell as better home.

          • I am surprised that you don’t see any problem in $20/hr issue??? I guess you were high when you wrote this comment…
            Let me explain few concerns. If I am new college grad with $40k debt, how much will I save annually after my expenses to pay for my loan if I work for $20/hr??
            For a H4 EAD there is no requirement to pay a prevailing wage like a H1 visa holder. So if I am on H4 EAD, I can quote low hourly wage and get a job when compared with US citizen. So Business 101… companies will hire H4 EAD so that they can lower their expense…
            Regarding your second point that low cost labor will affect the family in a similar way…Are u kidding??? If I am on H4 EAD means, my spouse have a valid H1 and most probably working…it is highly likely that H4 EAD person family will have two income streams….

        • you know that it is a fake resume, then why are you giving her a job ? if she has a fake resume and be able to work to that level, means that the criteria you are using to hire applicants is faulty, or the person is really talented.
          lastly, no good company on the planet would hire someone to do a job, just because they are cheap. heck, I don’t even hire bad people to mow my lawn for free let alone allowing them to work on a project that is worth millions of dollars.
          if you can’t even compete with a housewife from a non-english speaking country who sat at home for 10 to 15 years ……………then maybe you are totally worthless .

          Reply

20. https://bnanews.bna.com/daily-labor-report/termination-of-work-permits-for-foreign-workers-spouses-delayed

    It’s really bad to see this. People on H4 EAD are getting the jobs in IT as there are no hastles associated with the visa. Stop this abuse, H4 EAD doesn’t mean the freedom to work. People who are eligible to work in IT should get the freedom to work. Instead of that house wives are fully occupied in IT market as software engineers. Where is savejob usa now?

    Reply

    • Hey don’t worry .Thet started the process and it says it will take 90 days for the proposed rule to come to action .So Till June 2018 EAD can enjoy

      Reply

      • Dilusion is comforting so whatever float your boat. EADH4 is here to stay and all those who are threaten with so called “housewives”, you don’t deserved to call your self skilled worker. If anyone as you put it, with no IT background can do take your job then you should stop calling yourself IT. No wonder American claim they get low grade H1B consultant. You give all of us with H1B visa bad name.

        Reply

    • It’s evident and people can give names of H4 EAD people who doesn;t have any previous IT back ground working in IT now as IT specialist roles. It’s really frustraitng to see people who have engineering backgrounds in Computer science are struggling hard to find a job in IT. H4 EAD’s are getitng the job only becasue they dont need any sponsorship and they don’t need any kind of approvals from DHS or USCIS. With marriage certificate and spouses H1b , they can get H4 EAD. Aren’t these H4 EAD’s ashamed of yourself for doing these fraud?

      Reply

    • It’s all about competition, nothing else. Employers shall be responsible to hire Qualified and talented H4EADs… There are many master’s level H4EADs that deserve their pie in the corporate world. It doesn’t come for free for anyone leaving their country and start a new life as an alien… Stringent hiring process and background checks of applicants by employers will solve this problem to major extent. Authorities can always audit employers to check compliance adherence per law w.r.t wages, qualification, skills etc. and ensure fairness in all respects. It’s an ignorance if one think that they are smarter than others without realizing one’s competency , knowledge and ever increasing competition. Any country can’t progress without being competitive…. Any new regulation or law without having checks at all levels/loopholes doesn’t serve any purpose for immigrant mankind..

      Reply

      • arre kya hua bhai….kyun shor macha rahe ho? kuch lete kyun nahi?

        Just chill and read the letter signed by the 15 representatives from California:

        https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/California-representatives-sign-letter-supporting-12750432.php

        Reply

      • Assume your situation first if all H4 Eads are given green cards. You should stand in queue for employment infront a He EAD holder as they will establish their own firm. You need to work even for $10 and hour. You are telling to go back which you don’t have a right to.

        Reply

    • They are not house wives, They are fully qualified engineers who was doing home work due to GC backlog and H4 regulations . Lets go your way , If a housewife who has been in home for few years were able to take your job , think about your professional qualification and skillset . If H1B and H4 are going to leave this country what would Companies do with people with your skillset and qualification , think about it .

      Reply

      • The only person truly hurt by the loss of jobs is the one that also wanted it and when you ignore the personal for stats that say this is a small problem ignores the individual victim.

        Why do these people come here is never really addressed either. If they come here for a better job for the visa holding spouse is it about money and opportunity or just wanting more money. They knew the rules when they came here especially if before 2015 and understand taking more if offered but it can also be taken away.

        The claim they have to sit at home and keep house is a joke when there are unlimited chances to volunteer on many projects. Saying you have to stay at home if you can’t work is really saying you want the money and think it is okay that you take a job from another person

        Reply

        • you can volunteer, and not all jobs can offer EAD, but you are also ignoring the fact that the backlog is due to old immigration system that limits greencards based on country of birth.
          H4EAD is not for all H4s it is only for those who already had immigration petition approved. also, remember spouses of all other non-immigrant categories like F2, J2, L2 are allowed to work.
          yes we know the rules, so what is wrong in trying to change the rules that are not fair ? that’s how world works.
          If you are good worker and skilled , you will find a job.

          Reply

21. Yeah like h4 EADs with fake resume.

    Reply

22. The admins of this blog should start moderating comments this post or disable comments completely. All I see is a bunch of trolls abusing H4 EAD holders.

    Reply

    • @come to your senses – I agree. I am just going to mark all these comment emails as Spam so I don’t read any of this bs.

      Reply

    • All Abusive trolls are from our fellow Indian H1B Holders.

      Reply

      • I think most of these abusive posts are from just one or two people who use multiple names to post their frustration. I hope the admin reports them for incessant abusive behavior.

        Reply

    • It is very hard to moderate everything. We keep the comments section so that everyone can have a good discussion and share ideas… Hope everyone maintain some etiquette. Anything that creates hatred or is abusive, we try to clean up once a day, but again….we expect everyone to be respectful of others opinions…..

      Reply

23. All US is saying is that we want Phds or high skilled immigrants ( AI , Robotics ) who create jobs but NOT some one with skills in ( sharepoint , testing or for that matter low level programmers ) who work in third party sites with hardly any communication skills and claim themselves as HIGHLY skilled techies. Yes most of hundreds of thousands who already received GCs precisely from these categories. But TIME changes everything. Its best stay in our countries and fight rather than begging around to make a case. I am going back after my H1 expiry.

    Reply

    • I am just telling my H1b sad story to all of you H1b/H4 EAD, not to repeat my sad life.

      If we all can go back home now we can ‘Make America Great Again’, and ‘Make India Great Again’

      Reply

    • You’re so Ignorant, It’s disturbing! The economy is gonna take a huge hit if All of these guys leave.

      Reply

    • I have friends, i had been working at same workplace for several years, bought new house, i have family around me and i am on H1b. Looks like your life sucks ?

      Reply

      • Hey you had better life than me. But most of Indians are just like me or worse than me.
        That’s why I was finding for H4EAD, but we’re out of luck as I just realize that most of us are actually stealing US citizen’s job and hurting their wages by our home-grown fake resume and cheating interviews.
        Now I resigned from my IT work and packing my bag, selling my Honda Civic and some simple furniture. Hopefully I can have enough money to buy tickets back home. It will take more than 20 hours to hit to my hometown but I have to go.

        Thank you spending time reading my sad story, and see you all in India.

        Reply

24. What is this ???

    Reply

25. I’m loving it too.. LOL..

    Reply

26. All Anti H4EAD comments are from our fellow Indian H1b Holder who are scared shit of H4 EAD holder’s technical skills. H4EAD Holders are giving tough competition to h1B Holders.

    Reply

    • Yeah thank God for ‘highly skilled’ and immensely talented H4 EADs for willing to come out of their homes and work after 10 years and saving America.

      Reply

      • @ SM

        yes We (H4EADs) will make America Great Again!!!LOL

        Reply

27. @H4EADSupporters : 100 % Agree
    @Immigrant job stealer : I think this Guy is either GC holder or Second Class Citizen.

    Reply

28. @H4EAD or Not
    After weeks saw one sensible message. I can’t agree more with you. Very well said. ??

    Reply

29. “your country” lol. And have you tried spelling bee competition ? You should they need people like you there. I am sure he so embarrassed behind his 1996 desktop. ???

    Reply

30. Submitted my resignation but my employer said they are kicking off another dumb programmer who is highly paid on H1B and doesn’t do anything. So they want me to stay.

    Reply

31. It is very tough to get legal path to become citizen in US with very low criminal records in their land. Whereas, mass shooters, self blowers, b0mbers, illegal aliens (DACA), flag burner’s, those who don’t respect their own national flags, racist will get easy citizenship. Though they do nothing for US, the only tag they have will be american citizenship and call others to get out. Because they have power. Earlier black skinned Native Americans / American Indians were cleansed and now all those who get benefits in the name of American Indians are white skinned. Around 700,000 asylum seekers mostly from middle east were given GC in the last 10 years and many of them hate US. And obviously they hate legal people like H1B or H4 EAD. In my decades of experience, only those who have Power, Political and Personal influence can survive. Better prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

    Reply

    • Thank you for your high level analysis, Sir.
      To all of H4 or soon to be H4 (if you are not married, don’t married to H1b ), the H4 EAD application (c26) is not approved as of now. So for EADs, submit your resignation sooner than later to avoid embarrassing, and legal issues.
      @H4 EAD Supporter

      cheers !

      Reply

      • Nice your English is getting better to qualify “my country” phrase ???

        Reply

32. This is no rule as such that it is 30 days. It can be anywhere from 30 to 60 days and also, it can go to upto 180 days for complex rules. H4 EAD was always classified as Economically Significant, this is not new.

    Reply

33. “economically significant” means:

    “A regulatory action is determined to be “economically significant” if OIRA determines that it is likely to have an annual effect on the economy of $100 million or more or adversely affect in a material way the economy”

    Here is the link: https://www.reginfo.gov/public/jsp/Utilities/faq.jsp

    The new rule says:

    “DHS anticipates that there would be two primary impacts that DHS can estimate: the cost-savings accruing to forgone future filings by H-4 spouses, and labor turnover costs that employers of H-4 workers could incur.”

    So it seems it is economically significant because it will have labor turnover costs. Some companies have already sent a letter to DHS about the same.

    For all “economically significant” regulations, the Executive Order directs agencies to provide (among other things) a more detailed assessment of the likely benefits and costs of the regulatory action, including a quantification of those effects, as well as a similar analysis of potentially effective and reasonably feasible alternatives.

    So, USCIS will have to come up with a detailed analysis as to how they think that the rule they justified 3 years back no longer makes sense.

    The above link also talks about:

    How can outside parties best make their ideas about rules under review known to OIRA?

    In addition to submitting comments through regulations.gov, outside parties may provide written comments to the OIRA Administrator on a regulatory action under review. Parties may also request a meeting with the Administrator.

    What is the best way to request a meeting with OIRA about a regulatory action under OIRA review?

    To request a meeting regarding a rule, email Mabel_E._Echols@omb.eop.gov or call 202-395-6880.

    So this rule can potentially take longer than 30 days if the affected parties start working with OIRA.

    DHS secretary Nielsen under oath mentioned to Senator Orin Hatch (who supports H4EAD) that she is ready to work with him while reviewing the H4EAD rule.

    If the agency doesn’t follow the proper process then there will be lawsuits in court and while the lawsuits are in progress there could be a preliminary injunction (similar to DACA) which means people can continue to apply for H4EAD renewal.

    It looks like H4EAD rule will continue to be dragged through courts.

    Reply

    • @H4 EAD Suporter enjoy your last few days of EAD, and keep dreaming for removing GC per country cap.

      Hatch is too old to handle DHS chief.

      H4EAD is gone !!

      Reply

34. Hi añil please share the link .I don’t see any such news

    Reply

35. Hi is it the official news .Please share the link

    Reply

36. @Anil you keep dreaming. One way or another we are here to stay. Sooner come in terms with it better it is. You are incompetency will serve no good to you. We will get GC and we will prosper and you on other hand will keep crying on these and other blogs and nothing will change.

    Reply

    • @H4EAD Suporter, your dream will come true in 5 to 7 years. The GC backlog will reduce drastically as per the new H1b rule. So most of the h1b extension couldn’t me the new rule and they will be out of status and out of waiting list. So Govt doesn’t need to remove per country cap.

      Reply

37. H4EAD Supporter ,
    H4EADs are with fake resumes and fake work experience.
    Soon it will be gone! Your happiness is very short lived. LOL.
    Hahahahaha

    Reply

    • Yes, H4EAD is short live, check this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5425099/Immigration-agency-rewrites-mission-statement.html

      Reply

    • @Atmaram your skills are ancient than your name so H4EAD or not you are replaced. You need to look for job in McDonalds now. As to H4EAD, keep dreaming and we will keep enjoying.

      Reply

    • Removing per country cap for GC is same as invasion by a nation which is impossible . Keep 7% intact.

      @H4 EAD Support keep day dreaming, you are the loudest here.

      H4EAD amendment is next which is revocation.
      6 years cap guest worker is final step amendment.

      Reply

      • 100% agree. With the new chief appointed by Trump, he will execute all of these ‘America first ‘ tasks.
        Changing the home page mission statement is the init().

        Cheers!!!

        Reply

      • Sorry guys I will keep quiet until the new chief finishes his tasks.
        I realized my life sucks, I will be working illegally in McDonald’s pretty soon.

        Reply

      • H1b and H4EADs are just applicants not customer. That’s why when you guys calling DHS, they are so cold to you, it’s a revenge of you guys treating citizens in IT companies. They know for every EAD they issue to you, one citizen claims EDD benefits.

        Reply

        • @Anup
          As long as new chief can keep the 7% per country cap unchanged , Revoking H4 EAD is piece of cake

          Cheers !!

          Reply

      • 7% is too high.

        Reply

        • I don’t know what exact % it is now. Just keep it AS-IT, and wait time will reduce to 50 yrs from 79 yrs the worst case.

          I am loving it.

          Reply

      • @Mishra you should spend more time reading some programming books and not the one you read 25 years back. You might be able to find a IT helpdesk job. Leave real technology to us.

        Reply

38. lol, the H1b losers are especially quiet today after USCIS released new policy. Karma!

    Reply

    • I am not sure why are you happy? Because you got another 90 days on H4 EAD? I think that’s what it is because if you read the update again it says ‘ …They have ordered the case to be held in Abeyance ( basically hold) and denied the plea of oral argument by SAVE Jobs. As you can see below, they mention that, the reason for their decision is that they see the plan of rule-making by DHS to propose rule to remove H4 EAD in February 2018…’ I don’t know what part of this update you don’t understand.
      The court has asked DHS to come up with a rule to remove H4 EAD by May 2018. Got it? so you can enjoy your h4 ead status for another 90 days until DHS comes up with a rule to revoke it.

      Reply

      • Let me read the court order again:

        “Appellee is directed to file a status report within 90 days of the date of this order, and every 90 days thereafter.”

        So this doesn’t mean that court has asked DHS to remove H4 EAD by May 2018. It says that USCIS needs to inform the court every 90 days about the rulemaking process.

        Also, I believe the person is not referring to the court order but to the new USCIS policy of requirements involving third party work sites.

        https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Laws/Memoranda/2018/2018-02-22-PM-602-0157-Contracts-and-Itineraries-Requirements-for-H-1B.pdf

        This is specifically targeted to Indian IT companies that abuse H1B visa and promote fake resumes.

        This affects all those H1B holders (pretending to be GC holders and US citizens) complaining in this forum that their billing rate has reduced because of H4EAD.

        Reply

        • @ThirdPartyWorkSite

          Well said. Some people are dilusional. Good victory for H4EAD. It is not gonna be easy to revoke no matter how much people cry on this thread.

          Reply

        • H1BH4 EAD abuse can not be stopped unless client makes the interview process tough , atleast interview the person F2F. Unless these south indian people on H1 and H4 EAD are hired over the phone using proxy interviews, these policies are not going to work. These people will keep getting projects (I am talking about people abusing the system) and they will provide all kind of proofs to USICS like client letter.

          Reply

          • This H1B abuse is more prevalent when there is a middle vendor like TCS, Wipro. In such cases, the end client doesn’t take the interview because they assume the person coming in is an employee of TCS, Wipro etc. They don’t realize that this person is a sub-contractor. Companies like TCS and Wipro don’t like to disclose to the client that the sub-contractor is not their employee because it shows that they don’t have enough qualified people in their company. Now, when there is a need to establish a relationship between all vendors involved in the project, there are chances that vendors like TCS, Wipro would want to avoid subcontractors and so hopefully reducing visa abuse by these “consulting” firms.

            This may not be full proof but we can only hope it’s a step in a positive direction, especially combining it with the policy of specialty occupation, level 1 wages and any upcoming regulatory changes to the definition of employer-employee relationship.

          • I don’t disagree with you on H1B, but I think H4 EAD is even more dangerous because they are given work permit on their spouse’s qualification or eligibility and not their own.
            they don’t need sponsorship like H1B do and don’t need to file I-129 petition to USCIS for which this new policy is all about so… they bypass this screening also.
            since they don’t need sponsorship so companies are opening doors for H4 EADs and certain people are abusing it. I had been approached by 2 colleagues to give proxy phone interview for their spouses on H4 ead!!!! I was shocked. People are doing it. and atleast H1B people have some qualification and experience and there are strict rules for H1 visas but looks like H4 EAD got an easy pass.

          • Client letter has to be submitted before H-1B is approved.

            If H-1B amendment get RFE, even with premium processing, USCIS can take months to adjudicate.

          • Fake Resume, proxy interview, are these companies blind. What companies do you guys work for where people get in with fake resume, uses proxy interview. And who does the work? Firstly I do think fake resume and proxy interviews are very small subset and it is exploited by not just H4EAD but H1 as well. Secondly, even if these people get in they won’t survive and jobs will get transferred over to right candidate. Problem is these so called high skilled H1B that are working on lowest level IT jobs that can be replaced with basic on job training to any hardworking person. So now they are complaining rather than picking new skills. What they don’t know these jobs will go way in few years either way.

          • @AJ H4EAD are giving work permit not based on their spouse qualifications but because of major flaw in the system. You right to work and establish your identity is not dependent on qualification. If they had GC you won’t question their qualifications but because they have H4EAD you do.

          • “H4 EAD is even more dangerous because they are given work permit on their spouse’s qualification or eligibility and not their own.”

            They also get a green card based on spouse’s qualification or eligibility. Does that mean that they should not get a green card and apply separately? Is your concern more about them getting an EAD without any qualification or about H4EAD abuse by IT consulting companies?

            Based on your other comments, I am going to assume it’s the latter. If so, I agree with you. The common thread between H1B abuse and H4EAD abuse are the so-called “consulting” companies. They don’t provide any value but just profit from being the middleman. They are further encouraged by vendors like TCS and Wipro because these “consulting” companies help TCS, Wipro to cut down on their billing rate. The only way TCS competes with other prime vendors is their low billing rate.

            Rather than blaming H4EAD folks (especially the ones who are honest, trying to go by the rules and trying to assimilate into the American workforce while waiting for their Greencard), I think it’s more important to fix the problems caused by these consulting companies. This would hopefully stop both H1B as well as H4EAD abuse.

            Most of these consulting companies are H1B dependent. So maybe adding a clause like H4EAD beneficiaries cannot work for H1B dependent companies might be useful. It will also encourage H4EAD beneficiaries to upgrade their skills, work for American companies, learn working with people from different ethnicities and thus assimilate into the workforce.

          • I don’t have any problem with spouses getting H4 EAD or GC. I have problem with H1-B and/or H4 EAD abusing the system.

            The reason I said H4EAD is more dangerous than H1B because there are no rules around H4EAD and no way for background check. I believe USCIS has a vetting process for H1B to make sure that the education qualification, the University and work experience is legit, H1Bs have to provide the client letter, LCA and other documents as required to file extensions or amendment and during H1B visa interview and if USCIS finds something is wrong they can deny the visa and this is how it should be. There is no such requirement for H4 EAD. I as an H4 EAD candidate can apply for a 6 months contract position with a fake resume showing I worked on technology ABC in my native country and if there is a phone interview its a piece of cake as my friend with legit experience can give interview on my behalf and I am hired. Probably the client or vendor is not going to verify work experience or education in my native country for a 6 months or 1 yr contract position. May be once H4 ead starts working at client side, and client realizes he/she is not a legit candidate then they can fire him but H4 EAD has nothing to lose as his EAD will remain valid and wont be out of status like H1B candidate. I am only taking about small % of people and only in IT.

            H4 can use their EAD as long as they are honest, get the job honestly on their own.

            I am not sure what’s the good reason for creating this rule. On one hand, President Trump is promoting ‘Buy American Hire American’ to put Americans first and USCIS/DHS is making strict policies around H1B to stop abuse so that jobs are given to Americans first before anybody else… and on other hand giving H4 EAD. Say I am a US citizen, only bread earner in my family and working at Target for $20/hr but some H4 EAD agreed to work on $15/hr because its 2nd income for their family and of course Target will think about their profit and hire somebody on 15/hr and now I have to find another job.
            If this rule was created to help I-140 approved candidates stuck in GC backlog then why not give it to H1B candidate himself instead of the spouse? That’s just my thought.

          • Hey guys, there is no point to discuss H4 EAD any more. It is gone, history as Obama

    • H1b is just the beginning . H4EAD is the next. Cheers

      Reply

      • I am back, what’s happening? Where is H1Bs ?
        Where is H4EADs?

        Hahaha

        Reply

      • H1B gone, wonder what news you read. It is just enforcing policy and good they are. It will filter out all those fake H1B people that are threatened by H4EAD. It is surely a good news. Cheers.

        Reply

39. I know people specially from south continent of India, I can’t trust those developers study. I know a my neighbor Indian guy wife on H4 working on cash somewhere Indian grocery since over 7-years I guess. after she get H4 EAD now she is project manager in IT field, I asked some query because I know IT field I am not completely IT Field, but she can’t reply me in well manner, barely she speak English with breaking hmm hnnn haann yaa you know etc words all time hnn haa hmmmm . she don’t deserve those jobs, her boss also from same part of India.
    Also I want to point that H1B is Skilled working visa but now since last some decade or 8+years this is the business for mostly south Indians consulting companies. They settle down theirs friends and families majorly. I asked 10 people on H1B most of them are says my employer is my friends, my senior in college , was my boss in India etc. so, stop this kind of applications first. System will clean for next H1B applicants for sure.

    Reply

    • And you claim to speak fluent English. ??? secondly who made you judge her skills and who you think are to decide she doesn’t deserve to work. From your message I can say you don’t deserve to stay in US and should be fired and deported to India for your ignorance and incomepentency.

      Reply

      • Haha perfect comment!

        Reply

    • This is how I know you are lying:
      – Your english isn’t good either “she don’t deserve those jobs”?, ” H1B most of them are says my” ?
      – You asked 10 people? So you kept count I went out of your way to ask those 10 people? I have quite of few friends here and I can’t list 10 people to ask such questions.

      Seem like a case of sore loser.

      Reply

    • I do not have any objection for H4 EAD but I agree H4 EAD is misused by many dependents too.
      Rules should be updated the way H1B has.

      1. Should have certain scale of qualification
      2. Should have minimum wages so they can’t work at low wages and grab the jobs.
      (In my view this is the biggest loophole and will make life miserable for Regular salaried person as H4s are ready to work on lowest salary just to get experience. )
      3. Must work in same industry they have experience or education.

      Basically All H1 or L1 visa rules/conditions should apply for H4 EAD.

      Reply

    • Sorry you are doubting someone else’s credentials but your grammar is not right to begin with and don’t even get me started on your writing skills. May be you should do a self-check on how you got into this country and current job before talking bad about other people. I’m not saying what they are doing is right, but before you point at someone, at lease be perfect yourself!

      Reply

40. The court’s decision actually is a good news to H4 EAD, H4 EAD will exist.

    I am 10 year experienced professional on IT field. I worked in H1B for a while and due to personal health issue convert to H4 and started working on H4EAD after an year.. All our skills really helped the industries and economy irrespective of our visa categories.Work is a work.L1 visa spouse got their EAD’s with in 90 days. H1 visa spouse should also come under this category, We are not asking for unskilled people. Lot of skilled people who really wants to contribute to this society in a genuine way fall in this category. We are legal immigrants and request this Govt to take actions to keep H4EAD working option. It affects lot of families who are waiting to get the GC and the society too who is getting benefited out of these people, Lot of engineers, doctors, teaching professionals, business owners can definitely make America Great Again!!!

    Reply

    • You sound like a Russian bot. Your comments promote both sides of the story

      Reply

41. https://www.yahoo.com/finance/m/524e5c28-7f61-368c-8edf-b5394b02b550/ss_big-banks-in-u.s.-forced-to.html

    Reply

42. I am serious, right now only one of my wife gets EAD and she only makes $30/hr for a project in Silicon Valley . If I got couple more H4EAD, I would be buying a big mansion here and waiting for GC along with DACA approval in 90 days per the court yesterday’s news.

    Reply

43. There You Go.

    I support Women Empowerment. Go Girls Go …..

    Reply

44. Two sentences which give away a cheap bodyshop product:

    ‘We need this ASAP’

    ‘Please do the needful’

    lol

    Reply

45. Latest update by admin just made my day.
    H4 EAD is safe atleast for now and stupid “Save Jobs USA” (who are doing actually nothing to save jobs) got punched in the face by court.
    This news is also slap in the face for all the loser H1B holders / GC holders / citizens who were rooting for removal of H4 EAD.
    Folks most of us want H1B or H4 abuse to be stopped; but the people who actually deserve jobs on merit should not get punished. Hopefully something like HR-392 will be passed in congress in next few months that will bring fairness to all this nonsense.

    Reply

    • great. more fake resumes and proxy interviews.

      Reply

    • I am curious to know, how long the H4 EAD is safe. I mean for next 90 days or it will not revoked. Can we apply for extention.

      Reply

      • H4EAD prevails. DHS can’t do anything to H4EAD.
        Don’t you see Trump’s son is selling apartments in Indian. Trump will unite India, Japan and Aus to stop/slow down China’s growth.

        Reply

        • Hey u guys kidding????The court has just said to respond within 90 days that does not mean h4 EAD exists.Whats wrong with u Guys ???

          Reply

          • Till they fix GC backlogs nothing will happen for H4 EAD.. relax …

          • With that said in 90 days, GC backlog is fixed and all of H4EAD will convert to GC, so we can keep our current job without extension, and the new H4EAD will be GC.

          • B
            Learn to read first. Can you yourself make sense of your own comment? “Hey u guys kidding????The court has just said to respond within 90 days that does not mean h4 EAD exists.Whats wrong with u Guys ???”
            H4 EAD continues to EXIST. Court has already said STFU to so called “Save Jobs” group.
            Even if DHS responds, that does not mean H4EAD will be gone. Fight will still be on.
            Ultimately, if the bigger problem (70 years backlog) is addressed, H4 EAD won’t be required at all. H1B holders and their spouses will have GCs anyway.
            And that would mean more jobs will be created in USA. It’s a win-win situation. But it’s so difficult to put that thru some of the people’s (read scared, low skilled H1Bs, GC holders and citizens) thick skulls

        • This forum is a joke, lol. Look at you losers fighting and wishing ill-will to their own countrymen.

          Reply

          • so true. Its so painful to see all these comments.

    • Which part of the news you didn’t understand ? Court just rejected oral conversation as court knows DHS will cancel H4 EAD

      Reply

      • Exactly .Probably SH doesn’t know to read English

        Reply

      • Sorry guys, my bad.
        My English is so poor that they say I am not even qualified for H1b.

        Reply

        • the True H-1b dont need a qualification as per USCIS

          Reply

        • Look at this FAKE people trying to post as someone else, afraid to stick to one username…
          Disclosure:
          “Sorry guys, my bad.
          My English is so poor that they say I am not even qualified for H1b.”
          This wasn’t posted by me

          Reply

    • Thank god for saving our H4 EAD , This trend will continue 🙂
      Now all haters you can start commenting on this and i’m not coming back to check those comments :D.

      Reply

46. This is my last post here, User name is not consistent here, anyone can keep any user name and can impersonate anyone, using same email id people can post under multiple usernames and no basic respect shown towards fellow users. User name should be unique, please fix that until then I am out.

    Thanks

    Reply

    • thank you Raj

      Reply

    • Thank you for teaching us your trick to use multiple user name with one email ID.

      Reply

    • Good Bye…Bye….!! We want H1 Fake resume person out of the country like this way.

      Reply

47. There is literally one guy posting here under multiple names who is trolling and trying to insinuate people.

    It’s pretty obvious judging by his extremely poor English and laughable logic. Just ignore him 🙂

    Reply

    • No. it’s you. That post was my troll-bait, now go Google what it means.

      kek

      Reply

48. Hahaha. This guy is seriously one of those crazy guy that gets up everyday that believes Santa will bring him nice job ???

    Reply

49. “I’m outraged. The H-1B has been hijacked as the main highway to bring people from abroad and displace American workers.” Former Rep. Bruce Morrison

    Abolish H* has made some progress, guys contact your senator one email a day to gain more awareness. Tell them what you observed, your thoughts and your suggestions (of course it is abolish) etc…

    Reply

50. I think most of the H4 EAD haters here belong to illiterate community who live in complete darkness. This message is directed to them.

    H4 EAD is given only to one spouse of H1B holder who have the status of 140 approved. (Means waiting for Green Card) If they are given Green card by fair means (not like you hater guys who got it here using family relation) they will be as good as EAD.

    And you people say you have been replaced by H4EAD. Now you are in such a pathetic condition after saying this line, just think over it.
    On top of that you say they are fake, means they did not go to universities for the degree? and don’t have knowledge? Yet they are working and delivering what is supposed? So Strange. Either Employer is Blind, Dumb, Buffoon, or you guys.
    Ok, so they are working for less salaries? did you see any EAD working for less salary? hahahahahaha … they are as good as citizens, they are not H1 holders to get the salary from their sponsored employers, they get directly from Client or Direct hire company. If paid lower salary than posted as per the DOL, then Employer would go straight to Jail apart from paying penalty if anyone finds out doing that.
    And now coming to the competition, so you guys think there should not be any competition, have you ever thought of the world without competition. As I mentioned earlier I-140 population is relatively less than total H1 population. And IT field people will be still less in population. Now do you know the IT demand in US, do you think IT field in US is staggered or stagnant? Still US is struggling to fill the IT vacancies with right fitment candidates.

    I know that you haters are the people without common sense and general knowledge who still living in caves. This information is also for the general public who comes here and reads all the posts.
    They would get mislead by bunch of jokers like you, who resembles black sheep of the nation.

    Reply

    • First of all Raj you don’t aware I140, that’s not waiting for GC that is for waiting H1 EAD first than GC, so I 140– Ead– GC. That’s not easy, I was on H1 four years man my money most part gone in pocket of South Indian consulting company & their relatives on H1 doing nothing so called accounting managers blah blah.. Those jerks waiting for GC and living on your earnings. Thank God get married with Citizenship holder wife. Get rid of this program. Now this programs hurts me due to my company targeting layoff first direct hired get good pay, they plan replace 100k per annum employees with 60k to 70k max H1 guys from South Indians, they asking help from friends in India to do their work, wow those techies area killed migrants my foot.
      H1 program is junk, re-scratch it means hired only degree masters holders from reputed USA or Canadian or UK degrees like MIT, UCLA etc or dump it. I support to dump this program. What to sign any link?

      Reply

      • My friend and all anti-H1b, anti-H4EAD,
        Please use this website frequently to write to congress and president. You can change zip code to get various congressmen.

        https://www.petition2congress.com/ctas/abolish-h1b-visa-program

        Reply

        • You guys keep signing and we will keep excelling. People like you make our life easy. Thank you.

          Go Immigrants!!!!

          Reply

      • You are entirely talking about different topic which is H1. I cannot comment on that, you are not in the right posting blog.

        Reply

        • Why no words Raj of that guy comments? We want delete H* asap. I am signing that petition, many H1 holders occupied Government Contracts in many departments with fake resumes. For example; Government healthcare, Government DOR, many RMV – DMV DOT’s, Education and people holding degrees from USA with Citizenship don’t get hired for initially by South Indians consulting companies & they offer those long term positions to their beloved ones & providing remote people to resolving issues onsite.
          So delete H* program at all.

          Reply

          • Please go ahead and sign, it’s all yours. You might be having a good reason to do it. Did you witness H1 fraud?
            Then why are you asking my opinion on that? you need any guidance?
            Well I haven’t witnessed any H1 fraud yet, so I cannot commemt on your words posted in some blog vaguely. If you know something like that government will be more than happy to hear these frauds from you, I suggest you to report this fraud, instead of just signing like a helpless audience.

      • @H1-ShutDown are you seriously blind and not see that you only qualified for those fake jobs. Marrying was the only way you could get GC. You are getting replaced because you don’t deserve 100K. After so many years if you are still making 100k it explains why you are getting replaced.

        Reply

        • Because of H1b and now H4EAD.
          Delete all H* visa

          Reply

        • most of companies hire cheap labor like 50k per year * 2 people. Later they realized oh man mistake to layoff that 100k/year guy who better than these 2 South Indian jerks. That’s truth I also realized with my past company when they layoff me due to H1 guys hired, after 2 months my company offered same job, that’s my benefits too. I demanded more money. 🙂

          Reply

          • And did they pay you that much money to do monkey job!!

      • Only response – Its your fault you are working for bad consulting companies. No one is stopping you from getting hired by good companies by showing ur talent ?

        Reply

    • Applied to both H1B & H4 EAD
      —————————————–

      h-1b is abused primarily in 2 ways, the well know way is by the outsourcing companies who send offshore employees to US on H-1b and L1 to replace the US employees, like it happened in Disney. The other less known but even more potent h-1b abuse is by so called small and mid-size companies registered in US as LLC companies which are basically body shops. These body shops referred to as desi companies among h-1b applicants are set up by people from India who themselves are in US on h-1b!!!! or who have got green card\citizenship. These companies usually have less than 50 “employees”, all of whom are imported to US on h-1b. There are thousands of such body shops employing around 500,000 to 700,000 people on h-1b. These LLC’s body shop companies operate as cartels.

      This is how the cartel works:

      1. Worker pays $6000 to $8000 for body shop company to apply for his/her H1B (this is illegal but money is exchanged in India or some other country outside US)
      2. If workers VISA is not picked in lottery, body shop company will refund the money barring attorney fees and “processing fees” costing about 1500$. The h-1b applicant will try again next year until they are picked in lottery and come to US.
      3. If the VISA is approved, the worker goes to the US and gives the body shop cartel a percentage (20 to 30%) of his/her earnings. these workers will work as contractors in US companies but the h-1b will be held by the body shop. This again is illegal, the h-1b are supposed to have a job which pays them a monthly salary irrespective of whether they are working\placed as contractor in any US corporation, but the h-1b are only paid when they are placed at a customer, if they are idle, referred to as being on bench in IT consulting, they are not paid a salary. The h-1b applicant does not report this to USCIS because as per law when they don’t have a job they are supposed to leave US immediately. So both the body shop company and the h-1b applicant knowingly break the law.

      People only talk about abuse my outsourcing companies but nobody is talking about the abuse by these body shops. This abuse can be fixed by not allowing H-1b applicants to work as consultants(contractors), they can only work as Full time employees to the company that applied for the h-1b visa, h-1b applicants cannot go and work as contractors at other customers or in any other location other than the company address.

      Reply

    • In which era you live, we are also waiting for GC..but getting I140 takes 6-9months, where EAD takes years (EB2 India Dec 2008) and I140 you can get in worst case 12 months.

      H4 EAD also need to have same H1B LCA, then you will know how many people go out of market and most of the consultancies will not get benefited and will take genuine candidates irrespective H4 EAD or H1B.

      Employer need to only follow minimum wage by DOL which is $10-$15 depends on states.

      Reply

      • That’s what I told, read again….if you get GC in fair means, H4 people will also get GC immediately. But because unfair advantage in distribution of GC, 140 people are getting delayed, to avoid that H4 EAD was created.

        Reply

    • Well said Raj, ignorance and incompetency can only turn people into haters. They complaint about everything and everyone rather than fix them self.

      Reply

    • Do you really know what is happening outside in the market.. It seems you are on H4EAD or your wife and you are supporting it.. H4EAD people are being offered fulltime jobs for very less salary (~60K) and the market is saturated because of this.. How do you think that the employers are blind or the guy who posted before.. Well if I completed my masters here and keep a 10 years experience and I can crack the interview and get a job why not H4EAD. The same way they get the jobs and the companies are willing to offer them as junior developers, analysts, testers. Probably you are in a fulltime job now.. Remember those days when you have filled up your resume with fake experience and tried to land in a job.. I am on H1B still waiting for GC with 8 yrs realtime experience and I found it difficult to change job. It was not this scenario prior to three years. Before I used to get atleast 3 calls every day if you are in the market.. and now you receive one call a week and not sure if that goes till the interview.

      Get to know the facts before you leave a comment. We are not jealous of the H4EAD workers. We are unable to find a job immediately like before so we are just frustrated.

      Reply

      • First thing, Why did you use my name to reply?

        Coming to your accusations, don’t just jump into conclusions, if you use fake resumes doesn’t mean everybody does that.

        H4 EAD people are being offered jobs as per the DOL salary, you want to prove otherwise then please go ahead and challenge them, don’t just post here and cry like a girl.
        If you are on H1 your sponsor is greedy who is quoting high money than usual because he needs cut.
        OR If you are permanent resident you need to improve your skills or change technology (remember what happened to COBOL or Fox Pro, have you heard of Big data?)
        Imagine people (Non-Indians) who are getting green cards like movie tickets (All category ROW/refugees/family relations/etc), you doesn’t seem to have any problem with them, or do you? They are also into IT field. I met one girl who is Mexican who doesn’t even know the meaning of a variable in a program, she is in testing department, would you complain? She become citizen using relationship. Man, there are hell lot of things happening around, you cant even imagine.
        Now look around you, look at every color person, most of them are here in much easier way and getting into multiple jobs, H4 EAD is nothing compared to them.
        As said earlier, Salary has to be >= minimum pay outlined in DOL (which is set by government, not your uncle or my uncle). Everyone has to follow the same rules buddy, no one here is Uncle Sam’s nephew. Now again don’t tell me that people are doing frauds without government knowledge, just go to the nearest authority and feel free to report it, you may also get a award. But don’t write here like a high school drop out kid.

        Reply

    • @Raj Well, I came across this site and your post. Why you think people who hate H1B and H4 are living in complete darkness. Come out of those assumptions that Americans are illiterate and do not understand how H1B and H4 are abused.

      Let me be objective in this post.
      1) Fake – Yes, most of the profiles with H4 EAD are fake. You have used dirty tricks to educate spouses sitting in home, aligning their skill set with job requirement and got them in. Do you really believe that a person with good educational background was sitting home due to Visa constraints? Why not he or she went back to serve your own country? We both know that a talented person will not let his education go waste and will find opportunities. So yes, by adoption of a fake path to get a job, you have laughed at young educated American and his job prospects.

      2) Salary – You would understand rage we have when H4 EAD gets a six digit salary, where by a nexus of Indian recruiters, interviewers, hiring managers you get anybody in.

      3) Competition – H1B and H4 visa intent was to fulfill gap in job market. We never thought you will come for jobs and will make this your home. How would your govt react if outsiders come and start taking high paying jobs away from local Indians? Do you know to become Indian citizen is much tougher than becoming US citizen. If you guys are so globalization oriented, create level playing field and walk the talk.

      And lastly, why you all talented folks want to work here in US? After working for 6-8 years, do you guys do not think that you should go back and serve your mother country and improve its conditions?

      Reply