We have seen H1B lottery for the past few years now, while many are filing one H1B petition and leaving their potential lottery chances to luck, some maybe trying to game the lottery system and do multiple filings to increase their odds of getting picked in H1B Visa Lottery, this is more true even with the New H1B Registration Process from FY 2021 .
On March 23rd, 2018 USCIS published a notice saying that they are adopting a decision from Administrative Appeals Office (AAO) of S-Inc case, that will now apply for all H1B petitions, which is targeted to make it more difficult for employers to file multiple petitions and game the lottery system. Previously, USCIS gave news alerts indicating changes like More H1B Site Visits, Level 1 Wage, Email to Report Fraud companies . All of these changes are to get hold of the petitioners, who have been trying to take advantage of the loopholes in the system. Now, let’s look at new H1B duplicate filing changes in detail.
Background History of H1B Duplicate Filings
If you look at the historical H1B cap reach dates, lottery situation first occurred in year 2007 for FY 2008 quota. USCIS noticed duplicate filings by employers during that season and for the next fiscal year filings they issued a regulation in March 2008, to avoid employers filings multiple petitions for the same employee. Basically what the new regulation in 2008 was that “USCIS will deny or revoke multiple petitions that are filed by same employer for the same H1B Worker as they are considered duplicate and there will be no refund of the filing fee for these multiple petitions.” Also, one key distinction at that time was that, USCIS regulation did not prevent related employers (like parent company and its subsidiary) from filing H1B petitions for the same employee for different positions, based on business need. This key distinction is what has changed in the new 2018 adopted regulation.
What’s the New Adopted Regulation for Duplicate H1B Filings by Employers ?
USCIS at times adopts a decision from AAO to provide policy guidance for USCIS adjudicators. The current duplicate filings guidance is adopted from ‘Matter of S-Inc’ Case that was originally adjudicated on Jan 11, 2018. This policy memo adopted from this case adds on to the existing rules on duplicate filings.
Summary of the Policy Memo on H1B Duplicate / Multiple Petitions Filings.
Below is the summary of the adopted decision from March 23, 2018.
- An employer cannot file more than one H1B petition for the same employee/beneficiary, if the employee petition is subject to H1B cap.
- If USCIS believes that ‘related entities’ (such as parent company, subsidiary or affiliate companies, even with different Federal Employer Identification Numbers), have filed multiple H1B petitions for the same employee/ beneficiary, they will deny or revoke the approval of all H1B cap subject petitions filed by related entities for that employee/ beneficiary.
- USCIS clarifies that they consider companies filing H1B petitions as “related entities”, as long as they all apply for the same job or similar position at the same client. These companies may or may not be related through corporate ownership and control.
- USCIS says that unless there is a legitimate business need to file multiple cap-subject petitions for the same employee or beneficiary, they will deny or revoke the approval of all H-1B cap-subject petitions filed by “related entities” for that beneficiary.
- USCIS also says that a single employer cannot file more than one cap subject H1B petitions for the same employee/ beneficiary for different jobs or positions, even if there is a legitimate business need, as many can exploit the loophole and file multiple petitions.
- In scenarios, where there is a real business need for multiple positions for the same employee/beneficiary, USCIS suggest that the employer file an emended or new petition for concurrent employment after the petition is picked in lottery. single employer may not file more than one cap-subject petition for the same beneficiary even if there is a legitimate business need.
- USCIS has full discretion on deciding the “related entities”, when multiple petitions are filed for the same beneficiary or employee by different companies.
Since 2014, USCIS has been issuing more RFEs and NOIDs for identical petitions filed for same employee or beneficiary by potentially related companies, this was not enforced in all cases. This new policy memo re-iterates such cases and makes it formal guidance for USCIS personnel.
So, what does H1B Duplicate Filings means ? Simple Illustrations
To summarize on what means a duplicate H1B filing, I believe, it is much easier to understand, if we can illustrate in picture. Below are short descriptions and illustrations on what USCIS calls a duplicate filing. This applies to new H1B registrations as well.
- Multiple H1B Petitions filed by Same Employer is Duplicate Filing : A company or employer cannot file multiple H1Bs Petitions for the same employee or beneficiary. It is illustrated below.
- Multiple H1B Petitions filed by Different Employers Related is Duplicate Filing : Two companies or employers cannot file multiple H1Bs Petitions for the same employee or beneficiary that are related to the same parent company or are subsidiaries.
- Multiple H1B Petitions filed by Different Employers Not related directly, but for Same Job: Two companies or employers cannot file multiple H1Bs Petitions for the same employee or beneficiary that are not directly or indirectly related to each other but are applying for the same job or similar role at the same end client. It is illustrated below.
What we have shown above are some of the most common scenarios, but it is not limited to the above, it is up to the discretion of USCIS to decide, if the companies are related, when they find multiple H1B petition filings for a single beneficiary.
What are your thoughts on the policy memo ?
Hi Team, I received 221g, submitted the documents requested, further consulate informed me with this update “We are coordinating this investigation with other Posts due to multiple identical petitions” , asked me to wait. what does it mean?
did you submit the petition for more than once? or just filed petition with one company but in lottery you had more than one?
for situation 3, what if company A and the client file H1b for the same employee? does this consider as duplicated filing?
I Have H1b approved petition from last year and my last employer is delaying a lot and i got selected this year lottery as well so if i file petition this year also and got approved this year ( aim having 2 different petition from 2 different years (2021,2022)) if i want to go stamping with current employer, i need to wait till October for stamping. but if my previous year 2021 employer suddenly cooperated for stamping will i eligible for previous year petition stamping or should i need to go with the latest employer only as USICS will consider only latest approved petition only.. please provide valuable thoughts
You can do whichever you prefer, there is no restriction as long as the job exists for you on the day of interview and after that.
I am working at my current employer (Company A) and as I have given 2 years for the organization, I wanted to switch to a new Organization. I genuinely got an offer from a FAANG (Company B) in end of February 2022 and they filed my H1b application. I have my joining date as first week of May.
This was my last attempt. And fortunately I got my H1b selection from my employer (Company A) however I also got it from my new employer (Company B).
Now I haven’t mentioned anything to Company A, since I was planning to put my 2 weeks of notice mid of April, since I am planning to join Company B in the first week of May.
So my question is, how should I deal with this scenario? I have my opt valid until Jan 2023. Can I move to Company B? And tell Company A that do not submit my application with ethically seems like a good option.
Or should I tell Company B to wait until October to join? I really want to go to Company B, what are my options? It looks legally right and I am not cheating anyone.
Please help what should I do?
I have a question: can 2 different companies file H1B applications for me THIS YEAR? Would that be counted as a single attempt or multiple attempts?
NOTE: These are FANG(Facebook, Amazon, Netflix, Google) companies and I have a legitimate offer.
I have filed a H1 extension with employer A and we got an RFE. We are responding to the RFE. I have a offer from employer B and they want to file H1 under premium processing. If both the H1 extension from employer A and H1 transfer from employer B are approved, can I choose to work with any one of the companies? Or do I have to be with the company that got the most recent approval?
I have applied thru 2 employers(no relation between them ) from India and lottery got picked for both. Now I decided to go with one and my LCA is also filled with 1st employer. Should I mention to 2nd employer to cancel my file or it will get canceled by itself after JUNE 30 2021.
And I hope there will be no impact on petition or visa interview if second employer not cancelled.
Hope, you are now experienced for this situation. Now i have same question, can you answer please. Thanks.
This consultancies and whoever files multiple entries in lottery are just cheaters. They game the system and improve their odds to pick up and whats funny they are just openly and shamelessly discussing this in forums. You guys are dishonest – Your actions have real victims who have real families who gets impacted. May you rot in hell.
I am one of the victims. These cheaters have got no soul. my application did not get picked up , I even have a US masters and work for a genuine company. I hope USCIS catches all of them and reject all of their applications.
Company A sponsored my H1B and the status of petition is “Case was approved” in the USCIS site
I moved to a different company B, and the petition status is “Case was received” in the site.
After few years, I moved back to India and now can Company C file my H1B under cap exempt ?
Can I file 3 h1b from 3 different employers for H1B registrations 2022? What are the outcomes?
This year I’m trying to file 3 h1bs from 3 different companies [not consulting companies]. They are all software companies and not related to each other, but the work is software engineering.
Do you see this as duplicate filing?
I’m not sure. If I I’m putting my name in the lottery with 7 different companies is that okay with USCIS? Right now they don’t need many details for lottery. Let me know. They each have inhouse offers for me
Of course uscis is going to find you and issue NOIR when they find out that you gamed them. No genuine candidate will have 7 legitimate job offers! Do you think you’re being clever and uscis cant catch you ? Just last month around 5k got NOIR fir the same reason. Good luck!
I know we can file through from multiple employers, but I’m looking for if ,it get picked up by multiple employers, can we continue with all of them or we need to continue with any of them? Will there any impact on our case from USCIS? Looking forward for help from members . TIA
I’m in bad situation so your reply will help me .
I got notice of intent to revoke because of my employer submitted documents two times.
As you know this year lottery has changed , first we have to register paying 10$ and after you get picked you can submit the documents for the H1 process. So my h1 registration got picked and my employer submitted all documents in June 1st week but we didn’t get any receipt number so my employer thought the documents was not reached and he submitted the same documents second time because the due date for submitting documents is June 30 .
Now I got the receipt number for the second one and got approved later on I got the receipt for the second set of documents and it is also approved. So my employer requested them to withdraw one approval, but last week my status got updated saying that both approvals are “Intent to revoke ”. My employer is ready to reply the nior
So my question is , is it okay to send two documents two time ? My employer did only one registration and it got picked. Your answer will help me ASAP
Thanks in advance
This is not a normal situation. Usually your employer need to indicate that they are sending a duplicate petition as they have not received confirmation…I am not sure how they handled the situation. It could be a mistake on their part as well…talk to your attorney and see what can be done. USCIS does not generally accept two copies of petitions. It seems that they considered your situation as duplicate. So, your employer has to submit enough proof telling it was a mistake and get it fixed. It is not a denial, so you can still overcome this by submitting proper response.
Hello I have a situation!
I am working with employer A with H1b approved. I have applied for transfer with employer B and C. It is approved with employer B. But I want to join with employer C. Do I still need to continue working with employer A till my H1 is approved with employer c.
Your valuable feed back is appreciated!!
It is best to work with A until approval….The reason is, if your I-94 expires and your decision is not favorable afterwards, you may have hard time to remain in status.
I applied for H1B Visa Extension in Premium Processing from Employer A for End Client X. I received a RFE quickly within 10 days. I responded to the RFE within 90 days and have been waiting for approval. It has been nearly 150 days since i answered my RFE in Premium Processing. My employer and lawyer raised a service request for my petition and the USCIS hasn’t responded to it. Totally it has been 240 days already since my Initial H1B expired. Legally, I should stop working under further notice. My Employer A is planning to refile the H1B Visa Extension/Amendment in Premium Processing for the same End Client X in hoping for a quick decision since the first petition got held up without any response from USCIS. Will there will be an issue if second petition gets approved before the first? Thanks.
It should be fine. As you have been with same employer, it should be fine. But, the trick is for the second one, not sure, if they will give you the I-94 as you are not in legal status and period of authorized stay.
Hi Kumra, can you please answer the below scenario.
I am working for employer A for client X. As my H1B visa expiring in next 2 months my employer A has filed H1B extension in regular processing very recently.
Now, employer B who also works for client X wants to transfer my visa and started filing my visa in Premium processing. Will it be a problem for getting the transfer approved for employer B because of multiple petitions for same client ?
No, it will not as it is not a duplicate situation for Lottery and a transfer. As long as the job is genuine and you fit for it, should be fine.
I have a cap expect H1 B visa and was working on H4 EAD. 2 employers X and Y applied to activate and change my status from H4 to H1 visa for different positions. I am currently in Period of Authorized Stay and my H1 visa for X is approved while “Y” is in RFE.
I want to join company ‘Y’ when the RFE is cleared, but in the interim can I start working for X since the visa is approved, in case the RFE visa gets rejected?
If the RFE clears, then can I jump from X to Y or should I then apply for H1 visa transfer?
Two different consultancies registered for me H1B 2020. Both informed me that I selected in lottery.
Can I ask both the consulting firm to file my petition as both are not related and have different clients.
Please suggest as this my first chance and I am trying since last 5 years but no luck.
Well, as long as they were bonafide offers and there are different jobs available, you maybe fine…Many try to game the system with multiple filings by using consultancies, in that case, USCIS may scrutinise more…Talk to your attorneys
What happened to your situation then. How did it work out?
Can an employer pre-register for a prospective employee? I don’t have the job offer yet.
Also, in case 2 different legitimate companies pre-register for a beneficiary (both are different roles, and the beneficiary will pick one company to work with), and lets say the beneficiary gets picked in the lottery, what happens then?
I assume only one company can file the h1b petition, but is the other company breaking the law (since registration can only be done for an employee which intends to file the H1B if selected).
Your help will be deeply appreciated. Thank you!
Well, ideally, they should give you offer and then register…they may, but let’s say do not file H1B later, they can be in trouble as they sign under penalty of perjury when they submit saying that they will file H1B. To avoid issues, only go with one company that gives you offer and files for you…Still have a week to go. Read the FAQs of H1B Registration.
::: Parent & Subsidiary Client’s Location Related Query ::::
My client ‘A’ with Location ‘X’ is subsidiary of Client ‘B’ of location ‘Y’. I wanna file for H1B Cap exempt for Client ‘A’ with Location ‘Y’.
Is this valid petiotion as I am considering the location of parent client for subsidiary client with whom I am going to work with?
The above duplicate filing is only for H1B lottery scenarios, for general transfers, it does not matter.
::: Parent & Subsidiary Client’s Location Related Query ::::
My client ‘A’ with Location ‘X’ is subsidiary of Client ‘B’ of location ‘Y’. I wanna file for H1B Non subject cap for Client ‘A’ with Location ‘Y’. Is this valid petition as I am considering the location of parent client for subsidiary client I am going to working with?
Thanks Kumar, nice topic to touch specially some of us may be fall in the pits of the idea. My question s are:
1. Does this rule apply to the H1B transfer?
2. Regarding the “Duplicate H1B Filing – Scenario 3”, what are the criteria USCIS use to determine if the job is the same job? …
I mean should I apply at company X on “Software Engineer” role and apply at company Y on “System Analyst” role to be in safe side?
Do they compare the client as well?… in other words, 2 petitions for me as beneficiary each one by different company but both have similar role as “Backend Java Programmer”… is this safe or it will be considered duplicate petitions on the same job?
They compare the job title + job description
So, what’s the combination of uniqueness? is it Company + Beneficiary + Role Title + Role Description + Client?
The above is for anyone using the H1B lottery. They will look at clients names, roles, etc. They do not explicitly tell what they use to match, but they will catch fraudsters trying to game the system…
My H1b got picked last year , as part of case review I got 2 RFE’s.
The response to 2nd RFE was sent on 27th February. Decision is still pending.
Can I apply / register for this year H1b lottery? Would it affect the decision of my previous case?
Would this be called as an duplicate application?
Yes, you can file. Well, it is not duplicate…Is it filed by same employer ?
This time around since the registration process does not ask you for the job title while registering our profile for h1b, will it be an issue if I file with multiple companies which are no where related? Will this be considered as a duplicate application?
As long as they are really genuine, like Microsoft and Google, then you can…
It is not Microsoft or Google, but it is an offer that I would be given as a future employee if my h1 gets picked and approved by that employer. He has his own client to whom he is related to in some way so the client letter can also be provided by him during the process. In this case how will the situation be described? This time the process is so confusing that I’m unable to decide if I can file for just one h1 or a second one as well. Also, if USCIS thinks that this is a duplicate application, then do you have any idea on what basis does it consider this as duplicate without processing the application?
It sounds fishy to me, it is your own discretion… If you have real full time offers from the companies like I said, then only apply.
I have a new job offer just before lottery time my current company is anyways filing. Is it okay if the new company files too? I cannot inform my current company yet about the offer and if the new company doesn’t file my start date will delay a lot.
The response is same as above, these offers has to be really genuine from companies like Google and Microsoft, cannot be some fishy consultancies…
I recently got new full time job in a company, and that company doesn’t want to file H1 for this year, as per them its too late for processing. do i have any option that i can still appear in H1b lottery for this year? can i file h1b with different employer and then transfer it to my current employer latter?
All they need to do is use the H1B registration system and fill it out. It is very simple. Check H1B Registration Process . Try to convince them… Yes, You have an option to go to other employer for sure and then go for transfer…
Thank you for the reply,
As you mention that i have option to go for other employer,
Can you give more information on that, how can i file H1 with other employer while working with my current employer?
You find another employer and ask them to file H1B, they will know the process, don’t worry about it.
Hi I’m also in same situation but here my full time employer won’t consider h1b transfer or contract. My employer saying they will file my h1b but they have internal due date as February 15 and my joint date is March 9, what best to do
I have critical situation now.I do have 2 employer and both are different position and different client.Can I file 2 h1 application from both employer with all different client and position in 2020? One is full time and another one is contract.I need a immediate help to take a decision .Could you please help me out ?
You may apply, if they are really bonafide offers and not related at all…don’t just trust any IT bodyshop company that tries to apply and get you into trouble.
If 2 unrelated companies are willing to file H1B application for you for similar content but definitely not serving the same end client, would that be considered duplicate filing?(i.e. Microsoft and Google file for the same employer, both positions are software engineer job)
It should be fine as long as they are genuine offers. Again, this has been abused a lot by IT bodyshop companies, so ensure that they are genuine offers and not related.
Thanks for your response, Kumar. Should I understand it this way- usually what causes an issue is 1) they are fake Kobe offers made up by body shop companies 2) the two companies are somewhat related. It doesn’t matter if the positions are in the same field as long as it’s two genuine offers from two totally unrelated companies.
Will this also apply if two companies (consultancies) are applying H1B & L1A during the same time.
This year i.e. 2020 H1B Quota, Company B has applied H1B for me & i got picked in the lottery and it is still under processing.
But right now, my current company A in India is filing my L1A (managerial job duties) petition with USCIS.
Both these companies serve the same US enterprise.
Do you think this will be considered as duplicate filing?
Both are two different visa types, so nothing to worry. The duplicate filing applies to H1B, where many try to game the system during lottery. Just double check with your attorney to be safe.
Is it possible to join the same client through the different vendor
You can, if it is a transfer…but, if you are filing for first time as cap subject, it can be considered duplicate. Either case, do talk your attorney and then act accordingly.
Will be an issue if I file two petitions from two diffrent employers that are not related?
Will that cause my petition to get rejected?
Applying 2 h1 petition from 2 different employers is allowed? If yes, then job title can be same or different?
Technically they do not say anything on this…Example, if they are from Google and Microsoft, then you can…meaning, they should be genuine and not related by any means…
Reference to –> https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2019-01-31/pdf/2019-00302.pdf ,
Looks like this time registration process from march 1st through March 20th , 2020 is intend to eliminate duplicate H1 petitions no matter even it is from 2 different employers. Please let me know your thoughts on this.
and see below points.
USCIS does not anticipate duplicate registrations from both the petitioner and the beneficiary. As described elsewhere, DHS will be putting measures in place to discourage non-meritorious registrations, and will take appropriate action against those who do file non-meritorious registrations. USCIS is exploring a number of options for efficient operation, use, and maintenance of the system.
The data collected during the H–1B Registration process will determine which petitioners will be informed that they may submit a USCIS Form I–129, Petition for Nonimmigrant Worker, as an H–1B cap-subject nonimmigrant petition. USCIS will collect the minimum amount of information needed to identify the prospective H–1B cap-subject petitioner and the named beneficiary, to eliminate duplicate registrations, and to match selected registrations with subsequently filed Form I–129 H–1B cap-subject petitions.
They do not say that explicitly. As it says non-meritorious, especially those filed by IT body shop companies, that abuse the system. As I said, there is no clear guidance…If you have bonafide offers from totally different companies that are reputed and there is no connection, you may. It is up to your discretion. Discuss with your attorney, if you want more info.
Hi Kumar, is there any rule in USCIS which indicates that this is fine? Filing two petitions from two different employers that are not related
They have not really given any indication specific to registration, but it is general guidance. Read H1B Duplicate Filings Rule
I had applied for H1 via 2 consultancies as this was my 3rd and final attempt.
Both of those petitions got picked in the lottery. In this situation, I have a few questions:
1) Is there any issue with 2 applications? [both consultancies are unrelated]
2)I got a Contract job via 1 consultancy and would thus be required to fill out the cap gap application through them. What if my 2nd H1B [via 2nd employer] is approved?
Will there be an issue if the cap-gap extension is filed via 1 employer and h1 is approved via 2nd?
3) if i decide to go ahead with premium processing with 2nd employer, i have to fill out i983, which will have employer 2’s details. Will it be an issue as cap-gap has employer 1’s details?
If both the jobs are fully not related, then should be fine. If the end client is same or the companies are related in some way, then it can be considered as duplicate petitions.
Hi Kumar,if we file two h1 b -2020 FY petitions from company x and company Y ,both are not linked in any way.will there be any chance to get the 2 applications revoked ?
Looking forward to hear from you asap .
Kumar, your email or mobile contact please.thanks
Very likely no, if the offers are real and the companies are real like Google, Microsoft. If they are related in some way, then it will an issue.
Would all of the above scenarios also apply to cap-exempt companies?
My scenario is the same as “Multiple H1B Petitions filed by Different Employers Not related directly, but for Same Job”, with a H1B application underway, however I have received a much better job offer from another cap exempt company.
If not allowed, what is the best way to proceed?
Well, if you have it from a cap exempt University or non-profit research entity, it is a better option than risking duplicating filing denial…It is your discretion, talk to your attorney and then make an informed decision.
My employer filed a new H-1B CAP Petition While A Prior Petition under 2018 Cap is still Pending. I am yet to receive the lottery results of the new year.
Is this allowed? Will it be considered duplicate filings
Very interesting, you mean, you were selected in FY 2019 and still in processing ? That’s really long, you should upgrade it to PP and get it done.
It will not be duplicate..
I have a query regarding duplicate petitions. I recently moved to USA to work for Company A with Client X. Now I got a offer from Client Y. So I Joined Client Y with layers ( Company A -> Company B -> Company C -> Client Y). My employer (Company A) has filed an amendment petition, which is still in process. Now Company C want me to join them. I am thinking as layers will be avoided (Company C -> Client Y).
In this case Company C can file H1B transfer petition for Me? As my current employer (Company A)’s amendment petition is still in process. Will this be a duplicate petition? This is a change of employer (Company C).
How can I proceed in this case? Kindly help me to deal with situation.
If I file two petitions one from my current employer for an end client and second petition from completely different employer for the same end client and substantially similar position, would be considered duplicate filing if only first application gets picked up in lottery and second is not?
So simple..Apply H1 from ur employer with ur job..apply another one with another diff employer keeping In-house project.. do as much as 6 more applications. As per rules, 7 companies can apply h1 for an employee at same time. Its up to the person to choose if all those pics up. Like I get an offer from HP, Apple, Google, Facebook , Dell, Sprint, BCBS. All apply my H1 with their positions. But i only select based on my interest
This is interesting. So here’s a hypothetical situation. Walt Disney owns Pixar, LucasFilm, ESPN, and 21st Century Fox. 21st Century Fox owns National Geographic, Fox Searchlight etc etc. So if a person gets a job with more than one of these companies and they apply for their H1B, it would get rejected?
BTW only a handful of big companies in media and technology own almost all the successful smaller ones. Facebook owns Instagram as well as WhatsApp, for example.
One one hand this may push these companies to hire more citizens given this risk.
But if the purpose of the new legislation is also to prevent wage deflation in the H1B tech sector, and its repercussions in the wider market, wouldn’t restricting the ability of potential H1B employees to shop around for best offers deflate it further?
there is nothing new here. all this rules are already there except setting up a new office do the same old stuff. i dislike the post of communicating it in a wrong way as if it is all new.
3rd party placement is not new either. However, USCIS has the discretion to enforce the rule
Thanks for this information. This memo doesn’t say that it’s illegal to file 2 legitimate H1b petitions ( legitimate means with two different employers, different clients and different states, absolutely no relationship and real job offers) Is this correct?
Yes, it is not illegal, as long as the employers are really not considered as ‘related entities’ by USCIS. They exercise their discretion in deciding the ‘related entities’.
Thank you for your reply.
If the second petition is with contract house, the beneficiary will definitely be scrutinized! Reported people pay contract house to file extra petitions.
can a company file for multiple cap exempt h1b transfer petition for same person ? do you have any link to get this info?
Any guess as to how many petitions this applies to ?
Well, it is hard to know how many duplicate petitions have been filed in the past. USCIS has not released any such numbers in the past. It will apply to all multiple petitions filings, that satisfy the above scenarios.
Yes, this only applies to cap-subject petitions. Read the links in reference section, they point to original memo.