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H4 Visa EAD 2018 News – Lawsuit Status, Trump Administration Impact

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Last Updated : September 21st, 2018 . Check Timeline for full status updates by date.
Background:
For many years, since the H4 visa program inception, H-4 holders have not been provided with any work authorization. This changed on May 26, 2015 when USCIS passed the Employment Authorization for Certain H-4 Dependent Spouses rule. The H4 visa dependent spouses were eligible for work authorization EAD provided the H-1B spouse satisfies one of the below two:

  • Have an approved I-140, which is the immigration petition for foreign citizens to get Green Card or Permanent Residency in USA.
  • Have H1B visa status extended beyond 6 years under AC21 Act, which allows H1B holders seeking Green Card to work and stay in USA beyond 6 years, if their Green Card or Permanent Residency Application is Pending.

Soon after the H4 Visa EAD Rule was enacted, two things happened:
1. Thousands of H-4 spouses applied for H4 visa EAD  ( Employment Authorization Document) and got their first chance to work in US after many years of staying at home.
2. A lawsuit was filed against the H4 EAD rule to stop it from going into motion. More details on H4 EAD Lawsuit.

What’s the H4 EAD Lawsuit ?
‘Save Jobs USA’ (an organization comprised of IT workers who claim they lost their jobs to H-1B workers) filed its lawsuit against Department of Homeland Security (DHS) on April 23, 2015 before the rule was about to go live. The lawsuit was initially dismissed by a Federal district court in September 2016 (check references below ) as “Save Jobs USA” could not defend their lawsuit that H4 EAD holders will impact them. The plaintiffs, who is ‘Save Jobs USA’, filed an appeal to the United States Court of Appeal for the DC Circuit. The plaintiffs, claim two things:
1. The new rule has no protections for US workers and increases the pool of workers looking for jobs
2. DHS never had the authority to grant EADs to H-4 visa holders.

H4 EAD & Trump Administration Timeline – 
Since President Trump’s administration took office, there has been lot of speculation and rumors about what will happen to H-4 visa EAD rule. Below is the timeline of what has happened since President Trump took oath:

  • February 2, 2017 : The Trump administration requested ( filed a motion) a 60 day abeyance  (state of temporary inactivity ) to consider the issue and submit their brief ( response to consider the case).
  •  April 3, 2017 : The administration asked ( filed a new motion) for additional 180 day abeyance(state of temporary inactivity ) before they can provide their opinion. The Trump administration will update court every 60 days on the issue and update court before elapse of 180 days.
  • June 23, 2017 : The appeals court granted a stay on Jun 23rd, 2017 and asked both the parties, SAVE Jobs USA and DHS to file further motions on how they would like to proceed with the case by Sep 27, 2017.
  • September 20, 2017 :  SAVE Jobs USA has filed its motion stating that DHS has not taken any action and no publication of rule has been done in Federal register related to the H4 EAD rule and they requested for oral argument to conclude the case. They continue to tell that the delay would hurt american workers and new litigation would begin again.
  • September 27, 2017 :  DHS ( Trump administration)  filed a motion and requested the appeals court to hold the current H4 EAD case again in abeyance( which basically means hold on temporarily in suspension ), until December 31,2017.  The whole reason DHS have asked for this extension is to ensure that DHS and administration align their entire approach to implement Trump Executive Order 13788 on Buy American Hire American  and consider how to handle the H4 EAD rule as part of  overall view. For source, you will need PACER Login to view the entire document on court’s website.  Below is a screenshot of the actual info. H4-EAD-Lawsuit--Update-Extended-till-Dec-31-2017
  • November  17, 2017 :  There was a new request to extend the deadline, but court has denied the extension and has asked to continue and proceed and file their motions by January 2nd, 2018.  See belowH4 EAD News Update - 2017 November for January 2-2018
  • November 21st, 2017 (Unofficial – News) : A News article on Breitbart news says that there is a regulation drafted by DHS and is on the table to end the H4 visa EAD program.  Until we see this published, it is still a rumor. You can read the News on Breitbart.com  . There are so many speculations all over the place, please take every news with a pinch of salt.
  • December 14th, 2017 ( Official ) : DHS has published an agenda item “Removing H-4 Dependent Spouses from the Class of Aliens Eligible for Employment Authorization” today in the Fall 2017 Regulatory agenda. Basically all it says is that they intend to amend the original rule published for H4 EAD Rule in 2015  and potentially remove it as per the Buy American, Hire American EO by Trump Administration . It states that the DHS Secretary has authority to do as per INA regulations. Not many details published except that it is part of the agenda and they plan to remove it. We have no details on what happens to current H4 EAD holder working.  As of today, basically nothing changes as it is in proposed rule state.  We can expect progress or update on this in February 2018.   Below is a screenshot on what you see on regulations.gov  You can check the actual official info at Reginfo.govH4 EAD Work Rule Amendment 2017 Fall Agenda
  • December 22nd, 2017 ( Official ) : Both DHS and SAVE Jobs have filed respective motions, one to hold the case in abeyance (hold), other fo oral argument and not hold the case in abeyance. Below is quick summary.  
    • DHS Motion Summary : DHS has filed a motion to hold the lawsuit in abeyance ( basically on hold/suspension ) as they are in regulatory process of implementing the “Removal of  the H4 EAD” and they plan for Notice for proposed rule making ( NPRM) in February 2018. They say that having an oral argument now is of no use, when the H4 EAD rule is going to removed with regulation. As they are in process of removing, they are asking more time and will inform court in July, 2018 on the progress. You can check the document link in Official Documents section below.
    • SAVE Jobs Motion Summary : SAVE Jobs argues that in the first place DHS never had the authority to implement the H4 EAD rule without an act in Congress. They say that the regulatory process will take years, as the previous H4 EAD rule making took over 2 years from publication in regulatory agenda, and it will impact many of the Americans. Also, this process will lead to more lawsuits around the DHS rule to remove H4 EAD. The best path is to have oral argument and have a judgment.You can check the document link in Official Documents section below.
    • Current Status : Court is yet to review and give a decision on the motions filed by both. We will keep you posted.
    • Official Documents : You can read both the documents at H4 Visa EAD – Official Court Documents DHS, SAVE Jobs.
  • January 5th, 2018 ( Official ) : Many are waiting still for the update as we are past Jan 2nd, 2018 ,which was when we are supposed to hear something from the Court. As of now, there is no update on the case. We have checked court case updates, nothing has been published. Just to give you a perspective, the court has responded at least over 1.5 month after the motions were filed. As you can see below the actual court updates from the case on Court’s website, I have highlighted the one in RED, where court responded to the Motion filed. Now, if the same trend continues from court, we may not hear back anything end of January or February. Of course, just guessing here based on history. We will keep you posted, once there is an update. As nothing has happened, it can be assumed that Court has given DHS until July 2018 to hear the update. Again, we need official court response, will let you all know, once updated by court.
  • February 21st, 2018 ( Official ) : After a very long wait, finally today there is an update on the case by court.  They have ordered the case to be held in Abeyance ( basically hold) and denied the plea of oral argument by SAVE Jobs. As you can see below, they mention that, the reason for their decision is that they see the plan of rule-making  by DHS to propose rule to remove H4 EAD in February 2018.  DHS is asked is report status on the H4 EAD rule within 90 days from the order day, which is today Feb 21st, 2018 and also every 90 days after that.  Basically, DHS has to file an update with Court by May 22, 2018 on the H4 EAD rule-making.  Now, as far as the rule-making from DHS, nothing has been sent to OMB yet for review. So, we need to still wait.
    • Official Documents : Read Official Docs at H4 Visa EAD – Official Court Documents DHS, SAVE Jobs.
    • Next Steps : DHS to update Court regarding H4 EAD rule making by May 22, 2018.
    • H4 EAD Removal Rule Making Status : No rule is sent to OMB for review yet. Need to wait.
      H4 EAD Update February 2018 - Case to be Held in Abeyance
    • February 28th, 2018 ( Official ): DHS filed a status report with the DC Circuit Court stating that upon review by USCIS, they believe that draft of the regulation need to be revised further and they need some more time until June 2018.hey anticipate that it will be June 2018, when they can submit the proposed regulation to Office of Management and Budget for review and clearance  in time for publication.  The court document says that the decision to remove H4 EAD using regulation does not change, but they need more time. See below the document with sections highlighted.
      • Official Documents :Read Official Docs at H4 Visa EAD – Official Court Documents DHS, SAVE Jobs.
      • Next Steps : DHS to update court regarding H4 EAD removal regulation rule making process  in next 90 Days, maybe end of May 2018.
      • H4 EAD Removal Rule Making Status : Regulation will be revised further and send to OMB by June 2018. Need to wait.H4 EAD Update Lawsuit March 2018 News
    • March 26th, 2018 ( Official ): Few of the Members of Congress wrote to USCIS Secretary requesting to reconsider and not revoke the H4 EAD rule.  But, USCIS responded saying just that, they are working towards the president’s goal of Buy American and Hire American and everyone will get a chance to submit comments during the rule comments period to submit feedback.  See below. You can check the actual Request Letter and Respond from USCIS H4 EAD USCIS Updated Secretary April 2018
    • April 4th, 2018 ( Official ): USCIS Director wrote to Senate outlining various H1B and H4 changes in a letter and plans of USCIS. It also talks about their intention to remove H4 EAD and the regulation in planning. Below is the screenshot of the exact info. It clearly tells that they plan to remove it with regulation and public will get a chance to provide feedback during comment and notice period. Check original document of USCIS Letter sent to Senate Judiciary committee H4 EAD April 2018 News Update
    • May 10th, 2018 ( Official ) : H4 EAD Rule removal is now part of Spring 2018 agenda and the timeline has been updated to June 2018 for rule proposal and comment period. The current rule published in RegInfo.gov does not have much changes, except there is no need justification in the current rule proposal. See below the comparison. The green highlighted one is not there is Spring 2018 rule info. Check the actual rule info at Reginfo.gov Spring 2018 H4 Removal RuleSpring 2018 Regulatory Agenda H4 Visa EAD Rule Removal
  • May 16th, 2018 : A group of 130 members of congress lead by Rep. Pramila Jayapal and Rep. Mia Love,  signed a letter to the DHS asking Trump administration to reconsider its plans to remove H4 EAD rule  for certain spouses of H1B. You can read actual : Singed Letter H4 EAD 
  • May 23rd, 2018 ( Official ) :  Despite all the letters, etc. nothing has changed from DHS/ USCIS in their stance towards the rule removal. Yesterday,   DHS filed an update with the court indicating their stance and the progress with H4 EAD removal rule. It is a simple update and tells that the H4 EAD rule removal is in final clearance and will be sent to OMB for review and their plans remain unchanged for publication of NPRM for H4 EAD Removal   Below is  the most important piece of info clipped from the court document. You can check full  Official H4 EAD Court Documents H4 EAD Rule News Update May 2018 Latest Court Update
  • August 20th,  2018 ( Official ) :  USCIS updated court on their latest status indicating that final DHS Clearance review is ongoing  and its intention/ stance on the issue remains unchanged. See below screenshot from the exact ruling. In general, the OMB review process takes anywhere from a month or more, so we may expect the ruling around in late September 2018.  You can check the full document at   Official H4 EAD Court Documents USCIS H4 EAD update court - August 2018
  • September 11th,  2018 ( Official ): SAVE Jobs USA has filed a motion in court asking the court to conduct briefing and oral argument very soon. It is pretty lengthy 11 page document submitted by SAVE Jobs USA that highlights the delays and says nothing has moved in the last year and half and if it goes at this pace, it will take years for this case to be closed and they say “Justice Delayed is Justice Denied”.   Also, they say that there could be another litigation as well, if the H4 EAD is removed, so they are asking for oral hearing to clarify one simple question if DHS had the authority to give H4 EAD without Congress approval.  The key info is highlighted below in screenshots.  If you are interested in reading the actual filed Motion Document, you can check it out at  Official H4 EAD Court Documents H4 EAD News Update September 2018 - Save Jobs USA Motion to reopen caseConclusion of the H4 EAD Litigation September 2018 Update Court
  • September 21st,  2018 ( Official ): In response to SAVE Jobs motion filed earlier this month, DHS submitted in court their response requesting to hold the case as it is as they are making swift progress. DHS’s senior leadership has reviewed and proposed some changes and they plan to submit the rule to OMB within 3 months. DHS argues in the response document to all the concerns raised by SAVE Jobs USA in their motion regarding more jobs lost, future litigation, etc. The overall message DHS says is that, it is in best interest of everyone to hold the case hearing on hold until the process is completed as it would waste court’s and everyone’s time as their intent has not changed and they are making swift progress.     The key info is highlighted below in screenshots.  You also read the actual response document at by DHS at Official H4 EAD Court Documents H4 EAD News Update September 22 filed by DHS supporting the NPRM

What Happens Now – Can H4 EAD be revoked by Trump Administration ? What’s the Impact ? Current Status ?
Spring 2018  Regulatory Agenda: As you can see most recent update above, we have agenda item called “Removing H-4 Dependent Spouses from the Class of Aliens Eligible for Employment Authorization”  that it is now part of the Spring 2018 Regulatory agenda. It was initially part of Fall 2017 agenda with a timeline of Feb 2018, but due to the complexity of the rule DHS asked for extended timeline with court for lawsuit and since then the timeline in the Spring 2018 regulatory agenda is updated with NPRM set to happen in June 2018.   Keeping the H4 lawsuit aside, now it has moved to a stage where the it has published agenda item to remove the H4 EAD rule.  June 2018 is the timeline for the rule to be sent to OMB for review. DHS and USCIS are working on the draft rule to send to OMB for review.   Until the new rule is published, we do not know much on what would happen to the current H4 EAD holders, etc. So, kind of unknown at this point. But, you can continue to file for H4 EAD, nothing is stopping you.

Members of Congress Letters, Requests – March, April 2018 News : Also, in the end of March many members of congress wrote to USCIS to reconsider removal of H4 EAD, but USCIS responded that they are framing many policies based on Buy American and Hire American EO and public will be given chance to give comments. Also, similar letter was sent in April, to Senate judiciary committee indicating that USCIS is in process of publishing regulation to remove H4 EAD. The overall message from USCIS is that they are clear on publishing regulation to remove H4 EAD. We have to wait and see, what they will do with the comments. Also,

May 2018 News Update : Despite all the letters from members of congress, the most recent update from DHS to court on May 23, 2018 is that they will go ahead with NPRM once the final clearance is complete.

Aug 2018 News Update : The most recent update from DHS to court on Aug 20th, 2018 tells that they will go ahead with NPRM once OMB review occurs in next 30 days or so…We just need to wait and see what happens around late September.

Sept 2018  Update : SAVE Jobs USA has just filed the motion with court requesting oral hearing, and after 10 days DHS filed response requesting the court to hold the case as it is as they plan to submit the rule to OMB within 3 months. We need to wait for court’s response . As of now, nothing changes, we just need to wait for the court.

H4 EAD Lawsuit Update: On the lawsuit side, Court ordered on Feb 21st, 2018 to hold the case in Abeyance ( basically hold) and asked DHS to report the status within 90 days on the H4 EAD removal rule-making. Also, court denied the motion by SAVE Jobs for oral hearing…  As updated above, DHS updated court that they need more time to send the draft regulation to send to Office of Management and Budget (OMB) for review regarding the rule. We do not know for sure the timelines of the changes and if there will be any lobbying… if you are on H4 EAD, it is good to have a back-up plan for the worst case scenario.  We will keep this article updated as new information emerges.

What are your thoughts ? What do you think of new Spring 2018 regulation update ?

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Comments ( 2,326 )

  1. someone

    All south Indians should be given direct citizenship because Satya Nadella and Sunder Pichai are both South Indians…right?

    How long are you going to milk that Satya Nadella and Sunder Pichai are both South Indians? and don’t compare Satya Nadella and Sunder Pichai with any H1B candidate who just came from India.

  2. R

    Stop this stereotype. Such thoughts and racist ideology will only make you worthless, less confident and unfit to survive in this global economy. Wake up. Don’t even think about replying to my message, i will ignore any of ur useless comments, time is more valuable.

  3. H4 Get to Work

    People like you is because you are not qualified for the high-tech jobs and think immigrants are taking away them to make yourself feel better. What a loser.

  4. Observer

    I’ve been watching your comments and posts, people like you should not go scot-free. I’ve taken screen-shots of your posts and I’m going to report you to the authorities for targeted harassment, hate speech and solicitation. All the best.

    1. Hilarey

      Don’t threaten Jose like that. He is a poor guy whose job was stolen by cheap labor H4EAD. We all know reporting to authorities is useless as what Jose did is nothing plus US has Freedom of Speech.

  5. Jose

    Hey Congress don’t need to hear what I tell you now.
    When H4EAD revoked, we will see you all lickers and pokers in here: https://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/w4m . And guess what? we don’t even want you to server us because your left hand is sticky and your hourly price is too cheap. hahaha

  6. White

    I am shocked by all the negative comments in this group.

    USA is the largest economy ever. People are talking about H1B/H4-EAD as if this is impacting economy in a big way or immigrants taking 100% of US jobs. Use your brains. Every policy has down side to it. There may abuses to H1B, but i am quite sure not everyone is abusing.

    Immigration system needs to be fixed for sure. When an immigrant comes to US, he/she comes to make a good life. People don’t come here thinking that they are going to take US jobs.

    H1B/H4 EAD is more political than anything else. US is an immigrant country. Those who are talking are also immigrants. Sad state of affairs

  7. R1

    Hundreds of thousands of American Technology professionals have been displaced in one manner or another by H-1B, L-1, F1 OPT, et al visa workers (see Disney, Southern California Edison, University of California, etc.). Yet this is largely ignored by the press, who focus primarily on converting H-1B and H4 visa holders (who are NOT immigrants) into Green Card holders. WHY? Don’t we matter as well?

    These displaced Americans often slide into poverty, a few even into homelessness and suicide. Why does the press ignore this?

  8. Anil

    H4EAD is provided to kids,woman and men of certain H1b candidate waiting over 6 years for Green Card. It’s a Fairness Act to remove H4Ead only when Green Card backlog is addressed.
    Indian Janta join hands to remove G.C backlog. Isquared, HR 392 ,SaveEb2 India with Masters and PhD.
    @TAM
    You are Indian on H1b. Plz Stop abusing innocent to H4Ead kids ,woman and men.

    1. Jose

      H4EAD damages to IT industry much greater than anything else, and it will be even worse.
      To anti-H4EAD, please contact your local senators to revoke H4EAD ASAP by telling them your thoughts.

      1. Real_Anil

        We don’t need to debate here. We all know H4EAD’s damage, that’s why DHS is processing the revocation process. But some Indians from big IT companies wrote letter to Congress try to stop the process recently.

        So all the anti-H4EAD should call or write to DHS and your local senators / congressmen to expedite the revocation process.

        1. H4EAD Supporter

          @Real Anil those big IT companies that have sent letters want to retain strong IT talents by making sure their spouse gets their rights as they wait for GC. These were FB, Google of the world. They don’t hire cheap IT folks like you. And good luck revoking H4EAD. In fact you should move back as they all will have permanent EAD with their GC.

      2. Jose chya bappa

        Mr. Jose kumar ramalingam, we know that your 15 years old skill set in JSP and servlets is now obsolete and nobody wants to hire you, and we sympathize with you. Please close the door behind you when you’re kicked out of the IT industry. Maybe you will be able to work at one of those witch companies back home. Good bye!

  9. R

    Let’s be practical people… No body stops the H4 spouses from applying for a H1-B visa. The H1-B visa is the legal and well regulated visa category for any qualified highly skilled worker to work in the States. Being an H1-B benefactor myself, I know many highly qualified and skilled candidates than me who couldn’t make it through the H1-B visa lottery. That said, being the spouse of a H1-B visa holder alone should not give someone the edge over other applicants.

    I sympathize over the few well qualified spouses who are currently working on H4-EAD. But I’d also want to bring up the fact that it’s the most corrupt category used by the shady IT consulting firms to inject unqualified and cheap labor with fake work experience into the US IT workforce. This is not a new practice. These greedy consulting firms train MS graduates that were on OPTs with no IT experience for a month and produce fake resumes with fake experience and have someone else attend interviews and find jobs for those MS students. They make a big deal of money out of this.

    The H4-EAD is their next ‘pot of gold’ where spouses want to make extra money for their family and are ready to work for any pay rate. This directly affects qualified workers by bringing down the market rate for these jobs. I personally know of many cases like this. In one such case, the spouse ok H-4 EAD who had a bachelor’s in agriculture from India got a software system tester job. So again my question – why can’t these spouses apply for a H1-B visa instead so that the playing field is even?

    1. H4

      Good point ! Let’s be practical..

      In the first place it is only certain H4 spouses offered EAD because of backlog in GC processing. If GC is current they are eligible to work anyways. It is not their fault.

      I agree consulting firms take advantage, in the same way they took advantage of H1 B visa and OPT. Nothing wrong, it’s about business and the immigration system allows.
      BTW, its a win – win for people to get a starting point in the US.

      Pls note, not all H 1B holders are from IT background, it is the employers who should be responsible to hire the right talent. If you think people with any background and few months training can do the job, why H 1B ?

      The problem is about UNITY in fighting for a common cause.

      – H1 B against H4 _ If spouse is not planning to work
      – Indian GC holder against H 1B _ Future threat
      – US Citizens against Immigration

      BTW, this is my opinion and I am not in IT . I have decided not to count on this anymore and moving to Canada for a better future and stability. Pls stay united for success to all immigrants. Everyone has their own story and dreams for future.

    2. H4EAD Supporter

      @R so when these consultants were misusing H1B why didn’t you step forward and asked to cancel H1B Visa. It is not H4EAD fault if few employers can’t interview. Secondly they are beneficiary of delayed GC not H1B visa. They have right to work even if it is not highly skilled work.

    1. JaiHind

      guys i am sure h4 EAD will be removed its justmy guess.
      the reasons bcus its taking american low wages jobs like testing /hr admin kind of jobs. also it impacting java/other skiles people wages . since they got free visa they have no experience they are ready to join any job and any think they pay.most of the job are from managers side money they create a job give it these people. so i think its should be removed .
      but they need to do some approach to improve the gc process
      this is my understading after closely watching this thread.

    1. H4EAD Supporter

      Hahaha. And maybe soon you will out of your dream and all the H4 will have GC and path to citizen. Your life will still suck. 😂😂😂

    2. choospotter

      Sir, you are obsessed with coming here and trying to insinuate people with your comments. Get help. Talk to your wife, talk to your friends, go out, have a life.

      1. H4EAD Supporter

        @Choospotter Don’t worry about me, I have a great wife and a beautiful life. I even have an awesome job and neither me nor my wife is dependent on H4EAD. I have nothing to complain but the fact few people hide their incompetency behind system flaw is BS. And before telling me I need help, maybe you should got find a job.

  10. Remove Abusive vulgar comment

    Please remove comment with bad words used in Indian language. This post no longer need abusive and vulgar audience discussion.

  11. Donald Trump

    I am Donald trump. I used google translator to understand what you are saying. I will ask my staff to cancel H4EAD. We need people like you. You will get Green card by mail to your address in 4 business days. Thanks.

    1. Sm

      many people are discussing highly skilled spouses, but there are many Indian wifes who are working on H4 EAD without having any previous experience and knowledge in IT. They are just joining in IT jobs with spouse or friends recommendation. They even can’t speak proper English and they even won’t understand what higher ups are saying. Trump administration needs to revoke the H4 Ead and hire American, by the way I’m Indian too. We came here and worked hard very hard to stand by. These days everything has been changed, anyone can work in IT and most of them are joining with fake resumes and recommendation and spoiling the work environment. I can say 90% of them are not highly skilled workers, and these spouses never get a job in India and for them it’s very easy to do IT job in USA. how is this possible? Managers and higher ups need to stop the loopholes. If we want to save American , pls revoke H4 ead and give place for high skilled workers

      1. Maria

        True. People who have done engineering in IT, computer science are now working with nurses, physiotherpaists, school teachers, dentists,…. Now all are software professionals working in IT. They are getting trained in IT skills and with that training they behave like experiened skilled people. Stop damaging IT market. If you are really skilled get a job in your skill and grow. IT is not the place where anyone can get some training and work. Because in US, people trust and respect don’t make use of all those and fool others.

      2. Donald Trump

        I am president trump and I agree with you. I will ask USCIS to rescind H4EAD. You will get GC soon by mail to your address. Thanks!

      3. NM

        If that is the case you should stand for fake resumes and fake people not for particular visa status. What will you do once those H4s will get GC? Did you do any analysis on 90% of high skilled workers and their spouses? Have you done background check for all that they are not capable to do jobs in India? Disgusting mentality buddy.

      4. H4EAD Supporter

        Who said IT always need qualified degree. Are you seriously naive. Lot of IT work can be trained. Not everyone is doing programming. And reason you find people picking up your job after some training because you are working on not technical IT jobs. You think FB and Google hire people without computer degree and put them on programming jobs. Get real IT job first.

      5. H4EAD Supporter

        Your frustration explains everything. Just because it is hard for you doesn’t mean everyone has to go the same way. Losers like you work on legacy or low end IT jobs and called them self programmers. Now corporate found a cheaper way to replace you. I am loving all you low end H1B so called IT people complaining about H4EAD. You are no longer needed as these jobs will always go for cheaper service providers. H4EAD is not going any where so find another job like lawn mower or construction 😂😂

    1. someone

      Lol I agree. I have seen lots of them in my Company. May be Infosys etc. should groom them a little before sending them on H1B..like how to dress up business casual, no chappals and open toe shoes in office. Nobody wants to see your unhygienic toe nails.. please.

  12. another jose

    You forgot what america is rooted upon. It’s the opportunity for talented. Not just for those whose ancestors crossed the border a while back.

  13. Anil

    Tam is Indian on H1b and used fake resume to replace American Worker and now threaten by H4EAD workforce. Tam even admitted she is Indian and don’t like Indian H4 EAD woman or kids. Tam , Alex, Mishra pathetic liar.

  14. Tam

    Ivanka 🇺🇸
    ‏@ivankatkushner
    Feb 9
    In response to #H4Dreamers reaching out to me. I empathize with your plight & wish you were not put in this situation, but unfortunately, I cannot advocate for you all when Americans have been displaced by #H1b. @realDonaldTrump is justified in ending #H4EAD it was unfair to US.

    1. H4EAD Supporter

      Ivanka also promised Childcare benefits for single mother and not delivered it. Keep dreaming Tam…H4Ead is here until HR 392 is passed.

      1. Jose

        What can I do man, I graduated from STEM major with huge debt. I couldn’t find any jobs for a long time because of these Indian (I D Ten D) housewife stealing our jobs by fake and low wages

      1. Jose

        You liar, it’s real. Here is another tweet:
        Ivanka 🇺🇸

        @ivankatkushner
        Feb 11
        More Ivanka 🇺🇸 Retweeted Donald J. Trump
        The proposal includes #DACADeal #DAPA Legalization, changing Lottery system to MERIT BASED, tightening the screws on EMPLOYMENT BASED #h1bvisa #L1 End #H4EAD & #BuildTheWall.
        What is not to like about it? Its fair, its just and above all humane its time to stop playing politics

        1. H4EAD Supporter

          @Jose
          Ivanka Trump is official Twitter account. This account @ivankatkushner only have 299 followers and it’s only 1 week old account. It’s fake

  15. H4EAD Supporter

    H4Ead is a fix offered by Obama administration for the woman and kids to work or start business due to 70 years G.C backlog vs 7 months wait time. Read the H4Ead rule it’s not for every one but certain H1b candidate.
    I know this is privilege but due to high wait time it’s a Fairness Act to provide temp relief until issue is addressed.
    Beside fake marriage to get Green Card also spreading their wings without any hitch hiking. So stop bullying on innocent H4Ead woman ,men and kids. And start supporting HR 392.

  16. H4 EAD Supporter

    It is unfair to hundreds of thousands H1B who have to go through rigorous vetting process and uncertainty of application process just to be employed in US. Whereas H4s are being provided EAD just based on qualification of spreading their legs wide open for an H1B. Nobody understands this kind of sexism better than Pres. Trump himself. H4 EAD has to go.

    1. H4EAD Supporter

      All H1B who have been misusing the system through shitty consulting firms are complaining about H4EAD. No Facebook or Google programmer is complaining here. It is your incompetency that is making it easy for your employers hire fresh EADH4 (not saying all H4EAD lack experience). Go get some real job.

  17. H4EAD Supporter

    @Anup You are such a patriot, how often do you buy goods made in US when it is double priced than good manufactured in China. Hypocrisy is an easy trait. Preach only if you can practice. Greed drives innovation as Micheal Douglas said “Greed is good”.

  18. H4EAD Supporter

    Only Indians threaten by H4EAD are posting bad comment with fake name and fake story here.
    H4EAD will stay until Green Card Backlog is resolved.🙏👍

        1. Revokeh4ead

          I truly pray H4 Ead stays. Currently no news on H4 EAD revoke by DHS. Beside there are already real experience people moved from H1b to H4Ead and started business. H4EAD will stay.

          1. administrator
            Kumar

            There is no fixed deadline as such. The month indicated in Regulatory Agenda is Feb 2018, we just need to wait and see.

        1. PP

          Why don’t the H4 EAD haters get into a meaningful job search and stop hating H4 EAD guys. We prove our worth and stand in the same line as you. It is quite simple, if the employers like you and think your are eligible, they will hire you!! So how does H4 EAD even matter.

  19. Jo

    “The USA is country built by immigrants…”

    Again, a foreigner lecturing me about what it means to be American!

    Propaganda from politicians after immigrant votes. Some years ago a study was done that found about half the people living in this country could trace at least one ancestor back to having arrived here before 1776. If the success of immigrants to this country are compared to the success of their peers who did not immigrate the logical conclusion is that this country makes it immigrants great not the other way around. Immigrants need us we do not need immigrants.

    Go home, live in peace, and make your country great.

    1. H4EAD Supporter

      And your ancestor took permission to come to US. Some of the same ancestor acquired enormous wealth invading India (Once British colony). When it works in your favor it is ok and when it doesn’t you want people to leave. Sorry buddy we are here to stay you like it or not. You have right to elect your politicians and they decide law. So far we are legal few of you can’t make us leave.

  20. Jo

    Do you think it is fair to uproot families who have given their everything to this soil and just throw them away like trash?’

    Yes. I did not invite you here to take my job. You are here because of the corruption of the companies you work for. Those employers lied that there were no Americans to do the job and attached campaign contributions to those lies. So while you were employed I was at home an experienced programmer unemployed listening to employers lie that they were only hiring foreigners because there were no Americans.

    This country owes you nothing. Go home use the great intellectual ability you keep telling me you have to turn your country into a place worth living in. You being here has uprooted my family. I would have been happy to pay the same taxes you paid.

    My family has been in this country since the 1600s. I take great umbrage at being lectured to by a foreigner about what it means to be an American.

    Your being here has harmed me and I want you gone.

    1. Immigrant job stealer

      You are probably one of those old grumpy, incompetent people who didn’t keep up with technology, lost their job and are blaming the immigrants for everything sour in their sorry lives.

  21. H4EAD Supporter

    H1B visa program is being abused by almost every single American company. We now have no more technical jobs available here for very qualified American citizens. It’s time to end this corrupt program and begin to employ our American citizens. Our children are becoming discouraged to do anything in the STEM academics as their are no more opportunities for them when they come out of college. Meanwhile someone who pays $500 for a degree that we cannot even verify in India immediately gets a very good paying job and displaces yet another American worker from the job force. It’s time to put an end to the H1B visa program n

    1. Sm

      Of all the immigrants to this country those least likely to assimilate are those who come here on H-1Bs with the Indians being least likely to assimilate. They get citizenship but they remain loyal to India promoting policies favorable to Indians over Americans. You seldom encounter Italian-Americans promoting Italian interests over Americans.

      I have worked with immigrants from all over the world. When it comes to technology I rate Americans best. Germans and Englishman are tied for second. Those from Western Europe and Russia are third. With one caveat I put Indians at the bottom of the list. The caveat: the women are better than the men. They do not tell you everything is ok when it is not and they do not tell you they know how to do something when they do not

      1. H4EAD Supporter

        Yea and who do you think you are to rate anyone. We are in all top programming jobs and that speaks for itself. Look around you Wayfair, Microsoft, Google leaders are Indians. Your lousy thoughts and crappy skills are the reason you can’t get any job.

  22. H4EAD Supporter

    All Indians here with fake name and fake story trying to rescind H4 EAD. Tam, Alex Tim all are Indian and threaten by H4 Ead.

      1. H4EAD Supporter

        You are double standard is awesome. H4 EAD is here to stay until Green Card Backlog is addressed. Ead for all H1b waiting for GC more than a decade.👍

  23. H4EAD Supporter

    H4 EAD’s are now filled in all the IT jobs. When a very minimal amount of H4 people are eligible for the work they are doing, why to give H4 EAD to all the spouses who has approved I140? That’s not a small number. Many H4 EAD people who work’s in IT jobs now do have non IT educational background(like physiotheraphy,nursing, beautician courses,…).Now all are in IT as junior developers, QA, BA,. Consulting companies hire H4 EAD’s on smaller pay rate and train them and place them in client companies. If this is the trend, what’s the value of releated college degree in IT field. People who have done computer engineering degrees are now suffering to get a job in IT field as H4 EAD’s are placed in most of the jobs. If someone is getting trained in what to do, what’s then difficulty of surviving?Consulting companies are using H4 EAD’s a lot now. Please stop H4 EAD. This is damaging the importance of related college degree also. Please don’t allow this to continue like this.

    1. H4EAD Rule

      Not sure which computer engineering degrees you are referring to. I have friends who have computer engineering degrees. They are working as software engineers at Google, Facebook, Apple, Uber, Lyft etc. None of them are working as BA, QA, JD Edwards Developer, SAP Developer, Qlikview Developer, Tableau developer and any other tool that you can think of with a very high billing rate. I have seen these jobs are generally done by people who have degrees in mechanical engineering, electrical engineering, industrial engineering, MIS etc. They go to desi consulting companies to learn these tools, who then place them in different projects. I won’t be surprised if they are the people who are complaining about H4EAD. They are also the ones who are facing issues to get H1B extensions as they are working in a field that’s not related to their degree. A computer engineering graduate with even basic knowledge of computer science concepts like Data Structures, Algorithms, Deadlocks etc. will not complain about losing jobs to H4EAD, especially in this economy.

    2. Tim

      “We came legally” and knew it was TEMPORARY!! Now you want to ride on the DACA coattails, I knew this B.S. was coming…3year WORK VIsa not a lifetime here! Indians have 1) No need to assimilate when surrounded by countrymen 2) The basic fundamental reason for you even being here is by nature WRONG “we don’t have enough qualified Americans” to work with computers?? 3) The areas that H1B’s (Indians) want to settle do not have enough available housing for our own Citizens let alone you and the people you have already and hope to sponsor (chain migration) or enough room in the classrooms of our public Schools…I could go on but Remember you came here TEMPORARILY and it’s Crazy/ Insane that all you have to do is apply for a green card and get to Overstay a 3yr Visa indefinitely…LUDICROUS!!!

      1. Legal Immigrant

        We came “legally” and applied for green cards “legally” and got it approved “legally” and my case is again approved “legally” after 11 year stay. May be better make me illegal and offer a path to citizenship so that I don’t have to pay tax anymore.

  24. H4EAD Supporter

    H4 EAD stays until Green Card backlog is addressed. Off course this is privilege but waiting so long for Green Card calls for Fair Act.
    H1B workers and skilled immigrants with approved petition are 2 different sets of workers but overlapping as skilled immigrants.
    This blog is H1b fakers vs H4 EAD.
    No Americans are commenting here only Indian people threaten by h4 EAD power are freaking out.

  25. H4EAD Supporter

    This program is out of control! American tech workers are being “laid off” and replaced by lower-paid H-1B workers, plus their entire family comes over and steals the lower paying jobs in convenience stores. Also, many of them work under the table illegally. I have proof of all of this, but no one in government will listen. It’s bad enough that I can’t get an American on a customer service line, but now the Indians are taking over our country. This law is no longer needed. We have plenty of tech grads now. It has to go!

  26. JoseTamAlexMishra

    Everyone here is Indian using fake name and fake story to rescind H4 EAD. These people came with fake resume buy Green Card thru consulatant or fake marriage. Now they are upset by H4EAD unrestricted access to start business or full time job. Consulatant company’s cannot hold H4EAD Visa paperwork and therefore cannot deduct any percentage from h4 ead paycheck unlike H1b.
    Start supporting EAD for approved green card for more than 5 years backlog. H4 EAD should stay.

  27. Ramakant

    Oh Man, don’t stop laughing.. Remove H4 EAD is now not saveamerican jobs, now it’s save Indian jobs too (H1B jobs vs H4 EAD, what a stupidity). You guys remind me 2 cats and 1 monkey story..!!

    1. H4EAD Supporter

      That is so true, people with H1B and GC are faking to be American as they are embarrassed to claim H4EAD is taking their job and their years of experience (mindless work) can’t differentiate them. On the other hand plenty of H1B who are doing quality work don’t feel insecure because they know they don’t have trouble keeping or finding a new job.

      1. Sm

        These people who are claiming to be high skilled workers, came here by gaming the H1B visa. These people from india came by presenting false resume experience and college degrees. These people particularly from india are neither high skilled nor talented. The fact they are here is because they are cheap as compared to an American IT worker. If they all are so skilled then why don’t they leave this country? This country is NOT stopping you from leaving. Take your job creation skills somewhere else. We have enough local talent to take care of this country. There are countless hardworking American families who have been destroyed and displaced because of these low mediocre skilled cheap workers. Please go back to your home country.

      2. R

        I have a very specific incident that happened at a company I worked for. A former employes was hired under the false pretense that she was a senior JD Edwards developer. But when she was given support tasks, she would runs jobs that would take all day, than somehow have a fix the next morning. Turns out, someone else would log in after hours with her credentials and work her job. Also, after she left the company, we found her resume online where she copy/pasted parts of our boss’s resume.

    2. H4EAD Supporter

      I came to this website to gain more information on what is going on with H4EAD and have some healthy and constructive debate on what is the right path forward. But I realized this blog has just turned into aimless argument between Indians with H1B who are feeling insecure about their job vs other H1B and H4. There are few that can put forward some sensible view point on both side but mostly I read racist and meaningless finger pointing. My last two cents on this topics.

      1. H1B who are insecure, go get some real job and experience. New tech will eliminate most of monkey key struck jobs. It is not H4 taking up your jobs, but your attitude and ability to adapt change.
      2. American Citizens who feel they are treated unfairly, I do see your pain and first and foremost it is your country and home. You need some fair play and people who are misusing the immigration system with low end IT jobs should stop and penalized. I think there are many ways to do that but H4EAD is not the problem if H1B sponsoring them is ligit. Raising income bar for H1B can eliminate them.
      3. H4EAD don’t lose hope, if you are hardworking and determined thing will work out. Few idiots doesn’t speak for this country. There are lot of Americans that really support you. My organization did a lot to support me and my wife so I have faith in Americans.
      4. All those that share the enthusiasm of “kick immigrants out”, “immigrants are beggars and they don’t have rights” etc. I have nothing for you, cause no one can argue with idiots. I get it, nothing will change your thought process because you pea size brain can’t comprehend this. I have waisted way more words on you than you deserve.

      Good luck to everyone and I will drop by here and there just for some humor. 🙂

      1. Jo201

        Do you think it is fair to uproot families who have given their everything to this soil and just throw them away like trash?’

        Yes. I did not invite you here to take my job. You are here because of the corruption of the companies you work for. Those employers lied that there were no Americans to do the job and attached campaign contributions to those lies. So while you were employed I was at home an experienced programmer unemployed listening to employers lie that they were only hiring foreigners because there were no Americans.

        This country owes you nothing. Go home use the great intellectual ability you keep telling me you have to turn your country into a place worth living in. You being here has uprooted my family. I would have been happy to pay the same taxes you paid.

        My family has been in this country since the 1600s. I take great umbrage at being lectured to by a foreigner about what it means to be an American.

        Your being here has harmed me and I want you gone

        1. H4EAD Supporter

          I am not sure why you are not getting job, having programming skills is not enough these days. Technology changes and if you didn’t keep up you will struggle. There is no research that proves claim that companies are hiring foreigners over citizens. They only hire good over not so good. That is more logical explaination.

          From emotional perspective I do understand your pain and it is hard. Immigrant leaving is not gonna help even if few politicians or people tell you it will. Sooner you realize that sooner you will do something about it. If you are hoping immigrants will get up and leave because you want them then that is wishful thinking. There are many Americans that wants them here and few won’t that want them to leave. Ultimately American citizens will decide. The day they do, I will happily pack my bags and leave. But until then I will voice my opinion. US immigration law gives every immigrant right to voice.

      2. Sm

        these fraud people who say they are HIGHLY-SKILLED come with a FRAUD MASTERS DEGREE certificate printed, they complained that they were living here for 15 years without a work permit, when they got EAD 2 years back, they started applying FOR JOB showing 15 years of work experience in US. These type of fraud is also ILLEGAL. they dont do background checks on these cheap contractors, so they are escaping!!

        1. H4EAD Supporter

          Lot of frauds in US, some Americans and some immigrants. But you false acquisition has no material evidence to prove it. Majority of legal immigrants including me have graduate from US Universities. Your dilusion will only hurt you and no one else.

  28. H4EAD Supportor

    Yes – ABOLISH H4 EAD Visa for all Countries around the world. Why should America allow H1 B visas to come into US to work. US is in debt of 20 Trillions, why should US allow other foreign workers to come and work in this country when US has abundant US Citizens and American who are in need of work. Do not bring any more H1B visa people from other countries. Let US and Americans live in Peace. Why should US worry about the Poor and the Needy countries. Once US used to support Pakistan, but US knowingly supports Pakistan being a Terrorist supporting country. Ban Pakistani people entering US. Stop all Muslim nation countries to enter US. Best IT institutes are in US and US can product top IT people in home itself BAN TOTALLY H1 B VISAS for all countries. Why China does not employee people from other countries. Even slowly US should stop buying cheap Chinese products. Open up bridge with Mexico for Manufacturing of cheap Products rather buying from China.

    1. Kamal Thapa

      Awesome. In the same way Please stop allowing people coming on F1 visas..they come F1 change to H1. So stop student visas. That will impact college growing that’s fine American can pay instead. Americans need to support colleges then by paying 12000$ for sem instead of $6000 as in-state fee. Now to just pay 6k american is struggling wat if its 12k . No worries, we will have h1 jobs right. Now we will go to replacing H1 after college having 12k loan. They pay you peanuts bcoz u have 0 experience. Thats fine u work hard but the project deadline doesn’t care u r a fresher or experience, the client needs it to be done by date or u dont get paid. By the experience and time, you strive extra hours but not able to complete. Now the whole project is gone and trashed, you are only paid few, meanwhile, ur loan has gone from 12k -16k$. BS what the hell is going on. and you lose your job bcoz people show u made them bcom slow and they don’t need you any more. Your loan goes 17k$…..dammm.. Don’t have a job..money going high.. you go for regular jobs now (low paying) but that doesn’t full fill your loan. You bankrupt and now there is no one to curse..This is only one person situation…what if its country problem.. Is this Make America great again

  29. Pr300

    These people who are claiming to be high skilled workers, came here by gaming the H1B/H4 EAD visa. These people from india came by presenting false resume experience and college degrees. These people particularly from india are neither high skilled nor talented. The fact they are here is because they are cheap as compared to an American IT worker. If they all are so skilled then why don’t they leave this country? This country is NOT stopping you from leaving. Take your job creation skills somewhere else. We have enough local talent to take care of this country. There are countless hardworking American families who have been destroyed and displaced because of these low mediocre skilled cheap workers. Please go back to your home country.

    1. H4EAD Supporter

      @Pr300 we didn’t ask you to come here and we don’t need your permission to leave. In respect to talent, I think you need to check some stats. Indians in US are the highest paid community. In respect to talent you might want to see number of Indians in all top schools and that might help you with your delusion. And I think FB, Google, Amazon and MSFT is not looking for cheap labor but talent.

  30. Sm

    I am just amazed to see how these foreigners protest to get all the things they want. H1B/H4 is a NON-IMMIGRANT visa, which is just a privilege and NOT a RIGHT. And that too the people who protest does not respect their own people in their native land. There each state behaves like different country, and there is so much of violence and crime. Just because America has nice people, they are misusing that freedom, which has taken them to this level. Once you let them here permanently, they will not only replace more American jobs, but will protest more. Next will be no one can eat meat, as cows and pigs are their GOD. In India, if anyone eats beef, he will be killed the next minute. So Americans be ready, to change yourselves!!!

    1. H4EAD Supporter

      All immigration Visa comes with rights and that is available on USCIS website. Feel free to read that. It is not privilege but our rights. And you can’t deny my rights unless you pass a law which is no different than your rights. Now I am not saying immigrants have same rights as citizens but they have their share of rights.

  31. Jo

    Every H-4 EAD that is DENIED is another American citizen EMPLOYED here in their home, America.
    Enough of this scam. I’ve had enough of being called a racist by people from one of the most racist countries that ever existed, one of the few places where your nationality and your ethnicity are the same – Indian, simply for trying to protect my family, friends, and own abilities to get jobs in our own country instead of being thrown under the bus by our supposed “representatives” for the sake of cheap indentured servant abusable labor for their rich pals because “it’s good for the economy”…oh really? GFYS

    1. H4EAD Supporter

      @Jo when people can’t prove their points they hide behind comments like this. Go get some skills and competite and you don’t have to complain about immigrants. And anyone who wants immigrants to be out make sure first you pull all American companies, govt contract out of India. India is the second biggest growth engine behind all US corporate which is paying your paycheck.

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